International Applicant; need help picking colleges.

<p>I'm from Pakistan and I'm interested in applying to some colleges as a transfer applicant. I applied last year as a first year applicant and was waitlisted at Hamilton and Franklin & Marshall. I also started taking classes here at college here, just in case, which paid off.</p>

<p>My biggest issue is of aid. I can do with anything between 50% to 75%.</p>

<p>Now, I understand that it's amazingly hard to find aid as an international transfer but please before you completely shoot it down, just give me a little advice.</p>

<p>I go to Beaconhouse National University, one of the few liberal arts colleges in the country and I'm enrolled in their journalism program (the best in the country.)</p>

<p>Here are my stats:
CGPA (Freshman Year): 3.97
4.00 for Spring 2009
I had an okay high school record.
A'Level: 1A, 2B and 1A in AS Level GP with a regional Distinction.
O'Level: 4A, 4B
SAT Reasoning: 2120 M790 CR660 W670
TOEFL iBT: 114/120
I have a ton of extracurriculars from debating to writing to community service and volunteering at the cancer hospital. I occasionally write for a local newspaper and I'm trying to delve into radio too.
I'm also in the process of getting a couple of my papers published.</p>

<p>I need help finding colleges that offer some kind of aid to international transfers.
I want to apply to Dartmouth (I know, but I just want to try. I didn't last year and hated myself for it.), Grinnell (because I'm certain they have aid for transfers) and I want to try Northwestern (if they allow aid for transfers).</p>

<p>I'm open to suggestions. Please try and be nice. Or at least try.</p>

<p>Thank you. All help is appreciated.</p>

<p>applying as a transfer with financial need is tough. if you were rejected from hamilton and f&m i think you already know you chances at those schools you mentioned. be more realistic with your choices. if you need $$ then you might want to focus more on 2nd tier schools like knox, beloit, earlham, denison et al. even wealthy schools are more concerned now than ever with their scholarships/grants. olin, a weathy engineering school, was once offers free-ride to all accepted applicants is now only offering a 50% discount.</p>

<p>Hey.
Yea international transfers are really though applying from a foreign school. Your sat score is definitely in the range for these schools. However your O lvls are kind of weak. I attened F&M this year and for financial aid you need AT LEAST 7 A’s in your O lvls and had studied at least 4 subjects (other than GP) in their A levels and eventhen its not guaranteed. My friends who had 10 A’s in their O lvls also got waitlisted then rejected so its kind of a crapshoot. Thats what i noticed and I dont think they weight your A lvl result as much as they do your internal results on your transcript. I think for LAC’s essays make a big difference. That was just to give you a heads up on how it is over there.</p>

<p>Now ur right in applying to LAC’s or LAC-type uni’s because they colleges are very generous in financial aid for interationals. You could look at Colby and Vassar as well they are generous however these colleges again are gonna be reaches. Northwestern is REALLY TOUGH as well even if you have 8+A’s in your O lvls and w/o aid. Having said that your college GPA is great and if your applying SPECIFICALLY for for journalism then its def. gonna help</p>

<p>Now if you very badly wanna transfer yuou can apply to 2-3 reaches like northwestern f&m etc and to 3-4 other colleges which you think you can get into. Knox is pretty well known though i have no idea about how their journalism programs are. If your happy at bnu just apply to those dreamy reaches and cross your fingers.</p>

<p>Hope that helped a bit</p>

<p>Thank you for your input.</p>

<p>I actually took 4 subjects besides GP in A’Level and the fourth one was a C, so I usually leave it off. I’ve beaten myself up enough over my O’Level especially since all of the B’s are 89%.</p>

<p>I’m hoping my GPA will pull me through. I was told by someone who goes to Colgate that were I not asking for aid, I would have gotten into Hamilton and F&M.</p>

<p>And my essays are always extremely important to me. I don’t mean to be too sure of myself but writing is one of those things that I know I’m good at.</p>

<p>Anyway. I will definitely look into these options. Does anyone have a list or something of colleges that offer financial aid to international transfer applicants. Because that’s what has had me cross off a LOT of prospects like Bowdoin.</p>

<p>I’m having a really hard time finding colleges that have a financial aid track record worth applying for. So, I’d really appreciate a list.</p>

<p>Thank you for all your help, guys!</p>

<p>P.S. Is Bates far reach for me too?</p>

<p>if you got rejected from f&m then colby and bates are unrealistic reaches. I can’t believe someone just mentioned northwestern & f&m in the same sentence. northwestern is 10 times more selective than f&m. knox, beloit, denison are more f&m-level schools.</p>

<p>haha collegeprep i was talking about both of them with respect to the OP. both of them look like reaches for him atm.</p>

<p>oh and btw
<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/items/3265[/url]”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/items/3265&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;
<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/items/1739[/url]”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/items/1739&lt;/a&gt;
F&M’s fall 07 rate was 37.8
NU fall 07 rate was 26.8</p>

<p>NU is CLEARLY more selective but its NOT 10 times more</p>

<p>Not trying to start a college war or something but no point in putting down a school just like that so. Just focus on helping out the op instead of turning this thread into a college war ;P</p>

<p>you’re right, i apologized for my earlier comment. northwestern is slightly more selective than f&m just as stern(13.6%) is slightly more selective than wharton(16.3%) and sloan(15.0%)- usnews 2009- i sure feel bad for those stern rejects at wharton and sloan.</p>

<p>if you got rejected from f&m then colby and bates are unrealistic reaches.</p>

<p>^Excuse my indiscretion, it’s not like they straight up rejected me, I was on the waitlist. I mean, that’s got to stand for something.</p>

<p>“northwestern is slightly more selective than f&m”</p>

<p>I said CLEARLY not slightly.</p>

<p>“just as stern(13.6%) is slightly more selective than wharton(16.3%) and sloan(15.0%)”</p>

<p>Wharton is 16.3%?!?!? wow and this is according to usnews2009? can i have a link please?!? And Sloan doesnt even start freshman year? ***?</p>

<p>" if you got rejected from f&m then colby and bates are unrealistic reaches.</p>

<p>^Excuse my indiscretion, it’s not like they straight up rejected me, I was on the waitlist. I mean, that’s got to stand for something."</p>

<p>College admissions are very fickle. 2 of my friends got rejected from Duke wustl and some other colleges with higher acceptence rates than the college that accepted them (princeton). Yea those poor duke and wustl rejects are now attending princeton i feel sorry for them :stuck_out_tongue: You hear about stuff like this all the time do dont get disheartened just base ur decision on where you can get the most aid and the quality of the program you are interested in</p>

<p>wustl is notorious for rejecting over-qualified applicants (tufts syndrome). if you think selectivity = acceptance rate then you deserve to be at stern.</p>

<p>idolseacrest, i’m not trying to put you down or anything but i just want you to be more realistic with your choices so you won’t end up being disappointed again.</p>

<p>“wustl is notorious for rejecting over-qualified applicants (tufts syndrome). if you think selectivity = acceptance rate then you deserve to be at stern.”</p>

<p>I told u b4 not to turn this into a college war but meh…
Is duke known for that too? or how about williams college? or other top 10 colleges? wow ok. But id really like to see where u got those acceptance rates figures from :/</p>

<p>duke and princeton are peer schools. northwestern and f&m are not. you’re not doing your alma matter any good by trying to make it into something it’s not. it’s a good top 50 school period. [Liberal</a> Arts Rankings - Best Colleges - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/liberal-arts-search/page+2]Liberal”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/liberal-arts-search/page+2)</p>

<p>“duke and princeton are peer schools”</p>

<p>Uh…NO! its princeton > duke anyday for most people kiddo</p>

<p>" …northwestern and f&m are not. you’re not doing your alma matter any good by trying to make it into something it’s not."</p>

<p>Did I ever say they were? And its funny u call it my alma matter when i never graduated from there :/</p>

<p>Ok forget all that ive said, just link me to where u got ur wharton stern and sloan acceptance rates for</p>

<p>Reading through this entire post again i can’t really understand why ur acting like such an insecure re***d. But just going through some of ur posts I can understand why. You have made statements such as</p>

<p>‘rowing is for closeted gay males…’ So i doubt fighting over nothing (like you are over here) is a big deal. </p>

<p>and good luck with getting into that ‘distance’ masters program or ***/e is it that ur doing.</p>

<p>because more people choosing princeton over duke doesn’t mean they’re not considered peer schools. if that’s the case then harvard and princeton are not peer schools either since more people choose harvard over princeton. peer schools view each other to be comparable in many respects. [Private</a> University Peers - Data and Reports | Harvard University - Office of Faculty Development & Diversity](<a href=“http://www.faculty.harvard.edu/diversity/faculty-diversity-peer-institutions/private-university-peers-data-and-reports]Private”>http://www.faculty.harvard.edu/diversity/faculty-diversity-peer-institutions/private-university-peers-data-and-reports)</p>

<p>admission selectivity is much more than acceptance rate. wharton, sloan, booth and kellogg with higher acceptance rates than stern are in fact more difficult to get into. stern’s low acceptance rate simply means more unqualified applicants applied and thus more got rejected. <a href=“http://hbsguru.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/usnews-rankings-2009.pdf[/url]”>http://hbsguru.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/usnews-rankings-2009.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>" because more people choosing princeton over duke doesn’t mean they’re not considered peer schools. if that’s the case then harvard and princeton are not peer schools either since more people choose harvard over princeton. peer schools view each other to be comparable in many respects. "</p>

<p>is this really true? My friend told me there quite a few ppl in pton who either got into harvard or didnt even apply and were attending pton. Now if u say that u dont believe anecdotes just go over to the princeton forum and ask urself. And no were just talking about selectivity here. Look at UIUC which is an amazing engineering school but it has a very high acceptance rate compared to other great engineering schools.</p>

<p>" admission selectivity is much more than acceptance rate. wharton, sloan, booth and kellogg with higher acceptance rates than stern are in fact more difficult to get into. stern’s low acceptance rate simply means more unqualified applicants applied and thus more got rejected. "</p>

<p>DO u want me to OWN U right now?!? Ok here goes…Booth and Kellog DO NOT …I Repeat DO NOT HAVE UNDERGRADUATE DIVISIONS and this is a COLLEGE TRANSFER forum not an MBA TRANSFER! And the rankings/acceotance rates you have game are for POSTGRAD not UNDERGARD… Please stop talking bs.</p>

<p>Also when was this thread about stern or b-schools anyway?</p>

<p>i never have said all princetonians are harvard rejects. all i said was more applicants who have been accepted to both schools chose harvard. </p>

<p>“Based on information obtained from students admitted to the University who chose not to attend, Rapelye (princeton’s dean of admission) confirmed that most of Princeton’s cross-admits choose Harvard, Yale, Stanford or MIT over Old Nassau.(i.e. princeton)”- the daily princetonian
i don’t think much have changed since then. [Yield</a> declines to five-year low - The Daily Princetonian](<a href=“http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2004/10/07/10999/]Yield”>http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2004/10/07/10999/)</p>

<p>ok. have a good day.</p>