<p>Had to register because way too many International and URM (Underrepresented Minority) students keep posting VERY generous aid packages only to complain they have to chip in like 1200! It's bad enough they post mediocre SATs, GPAs, and ECs that get them into schools that reject more qualified applicants, they have to COMPLAIN they got 50K for a 52K school...but when their Dad came here on a student VISA he got eeeeverything...so this is 2nd-generation gouging. Then they bash America, and the Unis that are so generous, claiming the campuses are "racist" when their admittance and near-full ride took an opportunity away from those of us whose families have paid taxes for decades and defended this country via military service. These applicants should consider ROTC and maybe actually work for their benefits!</p>
<p>Don't get me started on the Financial Aid Officers who make this happen...no wonder jobs are going overseas, we are giving our universities away.</p>
<p>I’ll leave out URM, but I agree with you on International’s. Why schools want to give big aid packages to them is beyond me. They’re endowments come from US students, companies, alumni. They can’t find enough qualified US students to give this money to? How does an international prove they’re low income status anyway, is it even true? There’s plenty of US citizens of various ethniticity that schools can get enough diversity. Full pay internationals are welcome to come, don’t have an issue with them.</p>
<p>I agree with the complaint of whining about financial aid packages by international applicants, especially given the fact that so many well qualified US applicants were denied admission or received aid packages making the school unaffordable. But unfortunately, private schools can do what they want with there money.</p>
<p>There are currently 6 institutions in the US that are need blind and meets full need for international applicants (Amherst, Dartmouth, Harvard, MIT, Princeton, and Yale). Acceptance rates for international applicants (requiring financial aid or not) are significantly lower at the top schools than they are for domestic applicants. Therefore, I would argue that if this is, in fact, a “problem,” it is a very small one affecting very few students. </p>
<p>Private institutions are not primarily funded by tax dollars, but rather by tuition and donations to their endowments. Therefore, a private institution may accept students and distribute its funds according to institutional priorities in any manner it sees fit. (One priority might be to educate the best and the brightest no matter matter what nationality).</p>
<p>I resent ranting on URM. My D is an URM and so am I and we did not get extra help or money including myself when my family and myself put me through school. My D worked hard to get in the schools by focusing, getting good grades and challenging herself. So don’t generalized, it sounds ignorant.</p>
<p>Post some links so we know what you are talking about.</p>
<p>Clearly you haven’t been reading CC for very long. Almost everyone complains about the size of their financial aid package! It is not just URM or International applicants, it is any student or parent who hasn’t taken the time and effort to become well educated about the process.</p>
<p>Agree w/FooMonChew–Full Pay International Welcome; this is about fairness. Mom2–here’s just one exemplary link. Read entire thread: URM kid got great FA almost all of a 50K+ tuition; complaining because he wants it ALL and doesn’t want to do work study or accept a loan. Posts elsewhere parents’ home is expensive and parents hide his paycheck in their checking account and their salary is average. <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/1093083-urgent-financial-aid-help.html-[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/1093083-urgent-financial-aid-help.html-</a> Forum “Financial Aid & Scholarships” thread: “Urgent Financial help Needed.” Someone suggests a more affordable state school but his parents say certain US schools aren’t good enough (entitlement, only the best 'cause we ain’t paying). Yet in the school’s forum, his stats are average and SATs are VERY low for this school (1800s) and in the Accepted thread he states he did not even submit his SATs! He knocks the school, says other URMs got better aid, asks how far the school’s rep will get him, claims he’s heard it’s racist–all AFTER doing ED and getting an aid windfall. While on that school’s forum check out the kid from Nepal who got almost a full ride as well, and posts that he is going to ask for the $440 tech fee to be waived! Then there’s the girl from England who posts nothing but negative comments about the school that accepted her, nice FA and all. That’s from just ONE random college forum here. Yes, HappyMom, many complaints of FA here but some are legit like the Utah guy who got $700 (not a typo) from MIT and the American widow whose accomplished daughter got financially shafted from a so-called Catholic school. Internationals and URMs whose non-URM domestic counterparts got ZERO DOLLARS, or worse–waitlisted with much better stats–should have to do mandatory ROTC if they want a free ride. They should EARN it by serving this beautiful country they are so quick to criticize and bleed dry. Why not? American college males have to register for the draft. If only there was a way for the US to reduce international debt by the amount of aid thrown at unappreciating, undeserving foreign students…</p>
<p>Blah blah, America right or wrong, jingoistic ********.</p>
<p>How many generations is the OP removed from being an international himself? I suspect far fewer than he might think.</p>
<p>Unless you’re a Native American, quit complaining about immigrants and internationals. We’re all immigrants who stole this land from its rightful owners at gunpoint and committed genocide on its original inhabitants. </p>
<p>Your moral high ground is made of quicksand.</p>
<p>polarscribe your post has very little relevancy with this thread. The issue isn’t about “Blah blah, America right or wrong” as you put it, it’s about URM’s or Int’l students complaining about receiving nearly full rides with stats that would flat out deny a domestic student.</p>
<p>So what? Does he really think that the postings of one or two people (who may or may not actually just be ■■■■■■) on an Internet forum justifies impugning two entire demographic segments of the college-bound population?</p>
<p>I agree. it is generalization to think that all intr students are bad. besides, USA is one of top economically rich countries, its citizens, most of them can afford colleges. but there are many developing countries where students can afford USA colleges. but they are anyway bright and smart, and their education and success will be beneficial for all the world’s development. i think it is the reason why colleges offer them financial aid.</p>
<p>Actually, most US citizens cannot afford college. That is why there is a student loan crisis brewing here and it will shake our economy to the core, just as the housing crisis did.</p>
<p>* USA is one of top economically rich countries, its citizens, most of them can afford colleges. but there are many developing countries where students can afford USA colleges. …</p>
<p>… i think it is the reason why colleges offer them financial aid. *</p>
<p>Ha Ha…WRONG. Most Americans can NOT afford a college education. AND…most colleges can NOT afford to give enough aid to make them affordable.</p>
<p>“One priority might be to educate the best and the brightest no matter matter what nationality”</p>
<p>Schools don’t want zero internationals, nor all internationals; somewhere between five and ten percent looks common. It has little to do with scores being higher or lower.</p>