Is berkeley really that prestigious in Asia???????????

[Godfrey]

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Yup, just got owned and won’t live up to it. Didn’t think so.

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<p>In case you didn’t comprehend, as you failed to comprehend many of my posts, I was mocking the notion of “internet friends.”</p>

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THEN WHY THE FRICK DO YOU KEEP ASKING ME WHY I DIDN’T APPLY TO STANFORD, YALE, MIT, HARVARD, PRINCETON, DARTMOUTH, CORNELL, COLUMBIA, AND PRETTY SOON, OXFORD AND CAMBRIDGE???

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<p>Clearly because you were critiquing me for wishing I had aimed higher…which brings up the question of whether you applied and why you aim so “low”…</p>

[Godfrey]

<p>Just wanted to add that I find the hypocrisy somewhat hilarious. Fair enough, you (et al) criticize my “slanderous” verbiage regarding the “subpar subset” of the Berkeley population because according to you it’s wrong to generalize a population or even a subset by a mere sample. But then it’s okay for you (et al) to resort to slandering HYS students as “pretentious” based on your relations with but a mere fraction of the entire population. Do you not see the hypocrisy?</p>

[liquidmetal]

<p>Godfrey: I never attacked your GPA or anything. Please read my post carefully. Regardless, if I end up graduating from Cal with a 3.8 I will be very happy with Cal. You look primed for a successful life. </p>

<p>Funny how this thread diverged into a bashing war.</p>

[evilsushi1]

<p>I have only been at Cal for a semester, but from what I’ve seen, I agree with Godfrey on his observations.</p>

<p>That “subpar subset” of students does exist whether it’s a result of natural intelligence, low work ethic, or something else. I’ve met some of these students in frats, but I’ve also met ridiculously smart people in the same house too. It’s hard to imagine that they both go to the same school.</p>

[Godfrey]

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Godfrey: I never attacked your GPA or anything. Please read my post carefully.

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<p>I know you didn’t. This is because I posted my GPA as a response to your post. </p>

<p>This is what you said that prompted my response:

The only reason that Godfrey would not be happy is if he thinks he is smarter than other people at Cal (presumably because of his HS stats, which seem quite good given his desire to have applied to the top tier schools) and yet manages to graduate in a mediocre fashion. Godfrey could attribute this to Cal’s large class sizes, but I would attribute it more to cockiness or Godfrey’s lack of intellect relative to others.

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<p>You obviously assumed that the “only reason” I “am not happy” with this environment is that I am graduating with mediocrity. A 3.8 isn’t stellar, but it’s not necessarily “mediocre” either. Just because I am unhappy doesn’t mean I am doing poorly.</p>

[HomeschoolDad]

<p>Here’s an interesting quiz. Match the following university presidents with their personally-earned college and doctoral degrees:</p>

<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Berkeley (Chancellor)</li>
</ol>

<p>A. B.A. History Stanford, Ph.D. Economics Harvard
B. B.A. Biology Rochester , Ph.D. Neuroscience Georgetown
C. B.A. History Bryn Mawr, Ph.D. American Civilization Pennsylvania
D. B.Sc. Mathematics Toronto, Ph.D. Physics Yale
E. B.Sc. Chemistry Queen’s (Ontario), Ph.D. Biochemistry Temple
F. B.S.E.E. Villanova, Ph.D. Electrical Engineering SUNY-Stony Brook</p>

<p>From an academic reputation standpoint, the bachelor’s-conferring institutions rank as follows:</p>

<ol>
<li>Stanford, 2. Toronto 3. Rochester, 4. Bryn Mawr, 5. Villanova 6. Queens</li>
</ol>

<p>For Ph.D. conferrals, the ranks are:</p>

<ol>
<li>Harvard, 2. Yale, 3. Pennsylvania, 4. SUNY-Stony Brook, 5. Georgetown, 6. Temple</li>
</ol>

<p>Using a lowest-sum method, our ranks are:</p>

<p>A. Stanford-Harvard 2, D. Toronto-Yale 4, C. Bryn Mawr-Penn 7, B. Rochester-Georgetown 8, F. Villanova-Stony Brook 9, E. Queen’s-Temple 12.</p>

<p>Ranking the academic reputations of the university presidents’ own alma maters we get:</p>

<p>Yale (A)
Berkeley (D)
Harvard (C)
MIT (B)
Stanford (F)
Princeton (E)</p>

<p>If you were asked to match: Stanford and Berkeley president and chancellor, with Toronto/Yale and Villanova / SUNY, and you THOUGHT you were a sophisticated colleges-savvy high school student, you’d match Stanford’s president with Toronto/Yale, and Berkeley’s with Villanova/SUNY. It’s so obvious. But the top universities don’t think like you think.</p>

<p>If you were asked to match MIT and Berkeley president and chancellor with former posts
Yale Provost, and Bell Labs scientist and MIT Dean of Science, and you thought you were more than just an average sophisticated high school student, because you knew that Berkeley was founded by Yale grads, you’d never guess that Berkeley landed the Bell Labs/ MIT guy. </p>

<p>If you were asked to guess which university, Stanford or Berkeley, received a $113 million gift last fall from the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation to fund 100 endowed chairs, in order to attract and keep top-grade professors, and you knew that Bill Hewlett was a Stanford grad, the answer would be a no-brainer, wouldn’t it. But your brain isn’t as knowledgeable as you think it is.</p>

[FellowCCViewer]

<p>Well, I grew up in Cali and HK, with asian parents, hearing about Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, and USC all the time (this is before the age of ten). At that age, I thought HSB was regarded on the same level.</p>

[learnmestuff]

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different reasons, so why the critique?

You were the one critiquing vc, saying “pretentiousness” was not a valid reason.</p>

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Clearly because you were critiquing me for wishing I had aimed higher…which brings up the question of whether you applied and why you aim so “low”…

If applying to UVA OOS isn’t aiming “high”, neither is applying to Harvard. Just chill, she, like many, many people in the world, don’t want to go to HYPS. So what? You should have applied there–great! That would have been an accomplishment if you got in. But not everyone has to apply to those schools. Just like not everyone has to live in a certain city. Are those living in Palo Alto better than those living in Malibu? The locations and prestige are different, but one is not necessarily worse than the other.</p>

<p>And I do see the hypocracy. You scoff at generalizations, yet you are under the thought that everyone should aim high (eg HYPS). Not doing so is showing fear of rejection. That’s a pretty broad and stereotypical statement to make.</p>

<p>Now please, just get back to the original intention of the thread.</p>

[patlees88]

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You were the one critiquing vc, saying “pretentiousness” was not a valid reason.

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<p>Again, I ask you to look thru the thread first before you speak. (hint: post# 103,107,118)</p>

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If applying to UVA OOS isn’t aiming “high”, neither is applying to Harvard. Just chill, she, like many, many people in the world, don’t want to go to HYPS. So what? You should have applied there–great! That would have been an accomplishment if you got in. But not everyone has to apply to those schools. Just like not everyone has to live in a certain city. Are those living in Palo Alto better than those living in Malibu? The locations and prestige are different, but one is not necessarily worse than the other.

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<p>Now, you are arguing that Harvard isn’t necessarily better than UVA, or UVA isn’t necessarily worse than Harvard…I am afraid to tell you that you have done an abysmal job of doing college searches so far. Look at the rankings, speak to the students, ask people on the streets, and I guarantee you will get an uniform answer that says: “UVA is not as good as Harvard.”</p>

<p>Also, you said this before:</p>

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Give it up man, you’re weak. If that’s the case, why did you end up at “lowly” Cornell. Musta been afraid of that HYP rejection.

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<p>You are telling me that while Cornell is a “lowly” school, UVA is not worse than Harvard. Your statements are truly full of self-contradictons that reflect poor judgment, poor reading comprehension skills, poor possession of information, and quite possibly poor level of your intelligence.</p>

[vc08]

<p>ok, I’m going to challenge you to look through every one of Godfrey’s posts from his first response to me on though his last one. And if you can come back here and honestly say that he never criticized the reason for my applying or not applying to certain schools, write it. And back up your statement. All the times he said “you didn’t apply because you were afraid of rejection” back that up. Otherwise, you really don’t have an argument. Then again, I’m guessing you aren’t the type who will actually do it.</p>

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Your statements are truly full of self-contradictons that reflect poor judgment, poor reading comprehension skills, poor possession of information, and quite possibly poor level of your intelligence.

According to a previous post, if I remember correctly, the person you are referring to is brilliant. He can share his stats if he wants to. But he is HYPS material. I’m willing to bet that he’s smarter than you are. Now please, act like the mature Cornell student I’m sure you are. Cal isn’t even your school, and obviously you aren’t an applicant or prospective student. Therefore, this argument doesn’t even concern you. I’m not quite sure what you get out of thinking you prove a bunch of high schoolers wrong. An ego boost maybe? Whatever it is, it’s pathetic.</p>

[tokenadult]

<p>MODERATOR’S NOTE: </p>

<p>Whoa, ladies and gentlemen, please calm down. Keep your comments directed to the facts and not to personalities or what you guess about the unknowable thoughts of other participants.</p>

[Torrancecali]

<p>Everybody knows Berkeley at Korea!!! also UCLA..</p>

[Godfrey]

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You were the one critiquing vc, saying “pretentiousness” was not a valid reason.

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<p>This is AFTER VC08 criticized me for wishing I had applied to HYS, after I had found out that vc did not apply to Stanford because of “pretentiousness.” About the same time of the revelation that vc did not apply to HY because of a similar “pretentiousness” that somehow mysteriously permeated only the top 3 universities of America. There is a clear chronological order to this argument. CHRONOLOGICAL ORDER! </p>

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If applying to UVA OOS isn’t aiming “high”, neither is applying to Harvard. Just chill, she, like many, many people in the world, don’t want to go to HYPS. So what? You should have applied there–great! That would have been an accomplishment if you got in. But not everyone has to apply to those schools. Just like not everyone has to live in a certain city. Are those living in Palo Alto better than those living in Malibu? The locations and prestige are different, but one is not necessarily worse than the other.</p>

<p>And I do see the hypocracy. You scoff at generalizations, yet you are under the thought that everyone should aim high (eg HYPS). Not doing so is showing fear of rejection. That’s a pretty broad and stereotypical statement to make.

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<p>“Hypocracy”? What is that? Anyway…You are hilarious. First you say that Cornell is lowly. Then you say that UVA OOS is comparable to Harvard…really? Do you believe this? I applied to Berkeley OOS and it’s definitely not as competitive as Harvard. UVA is a good school, but Harvard status?</p>

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According to a previous post, if I remember correctly, the person you are referring to is brilliant. He can share his stats if he wants to. But he is HYPS material. I’m willing to bet that he’s smarter than you are. Now please, act like the mature Cornell student I’m sure you are. Cal isn’t even your school, and obviously you aren’t an applicant or prospective student. Therefore, this argument doesn’t even concern you. I’m not quite sure what you get out of thinking you prove a bunch of high schoolers wrong. An ego boost maybe? Whatever it is, it’s pathetic.

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<p>Whoa there Nelly. Not another ad hominem attack from out of the blue. You don’t know either of them in real life, unless of course you and “learnmestuff” are going out in real life or are alter egos. Regardless of how academically inclined learnmestuff is, the fact is that UVA OOS is not as competitive as Harvard. And to say otherwise is poor judgment. But then we are digressing from the main point of this thread aren’t we…Berkeley prestige and quality. And I think it’s funny and rather ironic in that justifying his intelligence, you are using the base of “HYPS” material…</p>

[patlees88]

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ok, I’m going to challenge you to look through every one of Godfrey’s posts from his first response to me on though his last one. And if you can come back here and honestly say that he never criticized the reason for my applying or not applying to certain schools, write it. And back up your statement. All the times he said “you didn’t apply because you were afraid of rejection” back that up. Otherwise, you really don’t have an argument. Then again, I’m guessing you aren’t the type who will actually do it.

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<p>I was not arguing this. Since you constantly seem to be having trouble understanding what I have been saying all these times, I will clarify my points from earlier. What I have been saying is that YOU were the FIRST one to start attacks on another person. Since you insist, I will quote your insulting remarks on this person from earlier:</p>

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I’m sorry, but you sound like one arrogant dude…If you hate it so much, why not just transfer instead of shoving into everyone’s face how “brilliant” you are? Brilliant people solve their own problems instead of building themselves up to put others down. Until you’re #1 at Berkeley, which I’m very sure you’re not, don’t complain about how “stupid” everyone else is in comparison to you.

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You sound bitter. Don’t blame your lack of confidence when applying to schools a few years ago on others, especially on the school that accepted you! You sound soo unhappy. So transfer! There’s no shame in that. If a Cal degree doesn’t carry any weight, the smart thing to do would be to transfer. If you’re as smart as you make yourself out to be, I’m sure Stanford would love to have you.

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<p>You said all these insulting remarks on this person when all he said was that he wishes that he applied to HYS years back bc of some qualites of Cal that he was not so happy about. To put things into perspective, you wouldn’t want someone to say these things to you if you were a student graduating from UVA and said that you wished that you applied to X school years back bc of some qualities that you did not like about UVA, right? </p>

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According to a previous post, if I remember correctly, the person you are referring to is brilliant. He can share his stats if he wants to. But he is HYPS material. I’m willing to bet that he’s smarter than you are.

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<p>Again, you said all these things w/o any evidences.</p>

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I’m not quite sure what you get out of thinking you prove a bunch of high schoolers wrong. An ego boost maybe? Whatever it is, it’s pathetic.

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<p>I ain’t trying to prove you wrong for my ego boost. How could I get an ego boost from proving that you were wrong to be bashing another person? </p>

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Cal isn’t even your school, and obviously you aren’t an applicant or prospective student. Therefore, this argument doesn’t even concern you.

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<p>You were the one to “invade” this thread and began launching attacks on others, remember?</p>

[tokenadult]

<p>Report problem posts to the moderation team rather than debating their demerits here. I’ll lock the thread because it is no longer providing useful information to onlookers.</p>