<p>Top 10 or top 20? Asking out of curiosity.</p>
<p>STOP! just STOP asking about rankings, please! I already posted in another of your asinine threads that SEAS was #19 in the stupid US News rankings....if you care so much about rankings you can just look them up yourself or go pay for the US News magazine with the rankings and stop cluttering this board with these idiotic questions.</p>
<p>why is it idiotic? im just asking for the heck of it...</p>
<p>no you aren't...asking once would be asking for the heck of it but having every question you post be about rankings is just absurd and shows that that's all you care about which in turn of course shows extreme immaturity.</p>
<p>It's no.25 according to US NEWS</p>
<ol>
<li>Massachusetts Inst. of Technology 4.8</li>
<li>Stanford University (CA) 4.7
University of California–Berkeley * 4.7</li>
<li>California Institute of Technology 4.5
U. of Illinois–Urbana-Champaign * 4.5</li>
<li>Georgia Institute of Technology * 4.4
University of Michigan–Ann Arbor * 4.4</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon University (PA) 4.3
Purdue Univ.–West Lafayette (IN)* 4.3</li>
<li>Cornell University (NY) 4.2</li>
<li>Princeton University (NJ) 4.1
University of Texas–Austin * 4.1</li>
<li>Univ. of Wisconsin–Madison * 4.0</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins University (MD) 3.9
Northwestern University (IL) 3.9
Pennsylvania State U.–University Park * 3.9</li>
<li>Texas A&M Univ.–College Station * 3.8
Virginia Tech * 3.8</li>
<li>Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst. (NY) 3.7
Rice University (TX) 3.7
Univ. of California–Los Angeles * 3.7
Univ. of California–San Diego * 3.7
Univ. of Minnesota–Twin Cities * 3.7
University of Washington * 3.7
25. Columbia University (NY) 3.6
Duke University (NC) 3.6
North Carolina State U.–Raleigh * 3.6
Univ. of Maryland–College Park * 3.6
Univ. of Southern California 3.6</li>
<li>Harvard University (MA) 3.5
Ohio State University–Columbus * 3.5
University of Florida * 3.5
University of Pennsylvania 3.5</li>
<li>Brown University (RI) 3.4
University of California–Davis * 3.4
Univ. of California–Santa Barbara * 3.4
University of Colorado–Boulder * 3.4
University of Virginia * 3.4</li>
<li>Arizona State University * 3.3
Case Western Reserve Univ. (OH) 3.3
Iowa State University * 3.3
Washington University in St. Louis 3.3</li>
<li>Lehigh University (PA) 3.2
Michigan State University * 3.2
University of Notre Dame (IN) 3.2
Vanderbilt University (TN) 3.2
Yale University (CT) 3.2</li>
<li>Dartmouth College (NH) 3.1
Rutgers–New Brunswick (NJ)* 3.1
University of Arizona * 3.1
University of California–Irvine * 3.1
University of Missouri–Rolla * 3.1</li>
<li>Colorado School of Mines * 3.0
Drexel University (PA) 3.0
Michigan Technological University * 3.0
Northeastern University (MA) 3.0
University of Iowa * 3.0
Univ. of Massachusetts–Amherst * 3.0
University of Pittsburgh * 3.0</li>
<li>Auburn University (AL)* 2.9
Boston University 2.9
Clemson University (SC)* 2.9
Illinois Institute of Technology 2.9
Rochester Inst. of Technology (NY) 2.9
SUNY–Stony Brook * 2.9
University at Buffalo–SUNY * 2.9
University of Delaware * 2.9
University of Illinois–Chicago * 2.9
University of Utah * 2.9
Worcester Polytechnic Inst. (MA) 2.9</li>
<li>Colorado State University * 2.8
Kansas State University * 2.8
Polytechnic University (NY) 2.8
Syracuse University (NY) 2.8
Tufts University (MA) 2.8
University of Kansas * 2.8
University of Tennessee * 2.8
Washington State University * 2.8</li>
<li>Oregon State University * 2.7
University of Cincinnati * 2.7
University of Connecticut * 2.7
University of Houston * 2.7
University of New Mexico * 2.7
U. of North Carolina–Charlotte * 2.7
University of Rochester (NY) 2.7</li>
<li>Brigham Young Univ.–Provo (UT) 2.6
Clarkson University (NY) 2.6
Louisiana State U.–Baton Rouge * 2.6
New Jersey Inst. of Technology * 2.6
Oklahoma State University * 2.6
Southern Methodist University (TX) 2.6
Stevens Institute of Technology (NJ) 2.6
Texas Tech University * 2.6
University of Kentucky * 2.6
Univ. of Nebraska–Lincoln * 2.6
University of Oklahoma * 2.6</li>
<li>CUNY–City College * 2.5
George Washington University (DC) 2.5
Indiana U.-Purdue U.–Indianapolis * 2.5
Univ. of California–Riverside * 2.5
University of Central Florida * 2.5
Univ. of Missouri–Columbia * 2.5
University of Rhode Island * 2.5
Univ. of Wisconsin–Milwaukee * 2.5
Wayne State University (MI)* 2.5</li>
</ol>
<p>Engineering ranks aren't so clear. This is a list mostly for people who want to works at places like Boeing, Dow Chemicals, or Ford. At the top (MIT and Stanford) it reflects technology more than anything. Sure, Columbia (and Dartmouth, Yale, etc) aren't strong at this list. But if you want to go into the most elite jobs, a Columbia (or Yale, Dartmouth, etc) engineering degree will set you up perfectly. You won't get that from Purdue, Illinois, GaTech, etc.</p>
<p>also, columbia seas has significantly higher stats (acceptance rate, entering gpa, top 10%, sats etc) than the vast majority of those schools that are ranked higher on the usnews list. in any case, the usnews rankings hardly impact the education you would receive at those schools, especially at the undergrad level. as slipper said too, any perceived weakness that columbia has in the engineering sector is vastly overshadowed by its ivy status when it comes to job opportunities.</p>
<p>
[quote]
Engineering ranks aren't so clear. This is a list mostly for people who want to works at places like Boeing, Dow Chemicals, or Ford. At the top (MIT and Stanford) it reflects technology more than anything. Sure, Columbia (and Dartmouth, Yale, etc) aren't strong at this list. But if you want to go into the most elite jobs, a Columbia (or Yale, Dartmouth, etc) engineering degree will set you up perfectly. You won't get that from Purdue, Illinois, GaTech, etc.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>I dont get what you're trying to say. First you said that a high ranked engineering school will help you get a job at elite firms like boeing, ford and dow chemicals....then you go on to say if you want to get the most elite jobs then you should go to columbia, yale or dartmouth..</p>
<p>Go to Purdue or Georgia Tech. You'll be able to tell everyone you go to a higher ranked school. :)</p>
<p>I think what he means by "elite" are the managerial jobs that ivy league students often seem to land in corporations, not to mention the opportunities that ivy engineering students have in consulting/finance positions. While students from other schools such as gtech and purdue can also get those jobs, their graduates tend to enter the work force as practicing engineers rather than managers. A generalization perhaps, but still somewhat accurate.</p>
<p>
[quote]
I think what he means by "elite" are the managerial jobs that ivy league students often seem to land in corporations, not to mention the opportunities that ivy engineering students have in consulting/finance positions. While students from other schools such as gtech and purdue can also get those jobs, their graduates tend to enter the work force as practicing engineers rather than managers. A generalization perhaps, but still somewhat accurate.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>but does it really matter that they tend to enter the work force as engineers?..what counts is they can also get the ibanking and consulting positions if they wanted to...so why not go to g tech so you have the chance to work at top engineering firms OR work in management consulting/i banking?</p>
<p>because its significantly easier for an ivy graduate (eg columbia) to get a job as an engineer than it is for a gtech, purdue, etc graduate to get a job as an ibanker/consultant at a top firm, and thats not a generalization either. major industrial corporations such as exxon, dow chemicals, etc wont discriminate between a gtech/purdue grad and ivy grad if they have similar internships/gpa etc. however, the largest ibanking and consulting firms go so far as to separate their recruiting efforts into sections that concentrate on target and nontarget schools. for nontargets they have much higher standards in terms of gpa and internships; they literally use college admissions offices as the first line of selection in their process. as any current ibanker can attest, landing an offer from a target school is damn hard, but from a non-target school, you need an act of god. but dont take my word for it, go to ibankingoasis.com if you want to see the carnage.</p>
<p>Raccna, engineering jobs at boeing, dow, and ford are usually not considered elite jobs. "Elite" signifies top finance or management consulting. The only "job" that beats both financially is being a successful entrepreneur. It turns out that the Ivies+ (Duke, Stanford, NU, Williams, etc) stand out in this regard as well. Engineering ranks tend to be more important for middle management jobs, but top schools get you ahead of this path.</p>
<p>right. anyone who thinks Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is a better school than Columbia, raise your hand. Or ask RPI students.</p>
<p>If all you trust is rankings and ignore context, or what question those rankings are trying to answer, you'll end up being misled. Also, those rankings look the same as I recall from 2003. They may be rather out of date.</p>
<p>Like I said, RPI will probably do better at getting someone a job at boeing, but an RPI student won't have access to the elite jobs the way a Columbia or Yale or Dartmouth engineering student will.</p>
<p>Raccna, Ga Tech students won't have access to the elite jobs.</p>
<p>U.S. News is BS and so are rankings. The best school IS THE BEST SCHOOL FOR YOU, not the lowest # on a list complied based on surverys and blind donations.</p>
<p>dude seas is up there, quote that #25 as frequently as you please, but talk to the seas students, professors, employers and they'll chalk out a very different pecking order. look at the internships, research projects that undergrads are involved in, curriculum and job placement, let those color your canvass.</p>
<p>or just look at the acceptance rate, sats, gpa, and other glorious bs that we all so dearly love about the college admissions process; but what you said is good too.</p>
<p>Can we please stop feeding the rankings troll?</p>
<p>this is simple. USNWR rankings are bizarre and take into account random factors to come up with these often arbitrary numbers. i'm going to bet that if somebody just took into account average SAT/ACT and GPA and acceptance rates (read: numbers only), Columbia SEAS would be top 10. i don't know the exact numbers but i'm fairly certain that Columbia SEAS' average SAT is comparable to that of MIT. it's not a podunk engineering school and it's not just in the shadows of cc. seas brings the overall acceptance rate up a bit (read: SELF-SELECTING APPLICANT POOL) but it also increases the sat average of the univ as well.</p>