<p>How can Lehigh University be ranked all the way to 32 while New York University drops from 30 to 37 in one darn year! This is so f-ed up! Dont listen to this bull. This is probably the worst ranking ever in US News history. </p>
<p>They dropped UChicago 5 slots dramatically. Im most appauled by NYU. </p>
<p>What are your opinions?</p>
<p>Agreed. There was a study/survey done to show what part of the ranking and methodology that students themselves found to be important, then they let the students make their own set of rankings. If you are an NYU or Georgetown fan then you'll probably agree with them, but if you are a UPENN fan you will probably not want to look.</p>
<p>NATIONAL UNIVERSITY</p>
<p>After the school, the first number is the Carnegie rank, then usnews rank, then the difference between them, then the rank of "popularity."</p>
<p>1.Yale University 1 3 2 4
2.Harvard University 2 1 -1 6
3.Stanford University 3 5 2 1
4.Princeton University 4 1 -3 11
5.Duke University 5 5 0 3
6.Massachusetts Institute of Technology 6 4 -2 15
7.Columbia University 7 11 4 5
8.Cornell University 8 14 6 10
9.Dartmouth College 9 9 0 22
10.Brown University 10 17 7 14
11.Johns Hopkins University 11 14 3 18
12.University of Notre Dame 12 19 7 27
13.Georgetown University 13 23 10 15
14.New York University 14 35 21 1
15.University of California - Berkeley 15 21 6 9
16.Pennsylvania State University 15 48 33 12
17.Boston College 17 40 23 8
18.University of California - Los Angeles 18 26 8 7
19.Carnegie Mellon University 19 23 4 21
20.Vanderbilt University 19 19 0 36
21.Northwestern University 21 11 -10 17
22.California Institute of Technology 21 5 -16 37
23..Rice University 23 16 -7 19
24.University of Pennsylvania 24 5 -19 22
25.The University of Chicago 25 13 -12 25
26.Emory University 25 18 -7 27
27.University of North Carolina - Chapel Hill 27 29 2 22
28.College of William and Mary 27 31 4 35
29.Pepperdine University 27 51 24 39
30.University of Michigan - Ann Arbor 30 25 -5 31
31.Georgia Institute of Technology 31 37 6 40
32.University of Southern California 32 30 -2 29
33.University of Virginia 32 21 -11 32
34.Tulane University 32 44 12 33
35.University of Texas - Austin 35 53 18 19
36.Washington University in St. Louis 35 9 -26 25
37.Tufts University 35 27 -8 44
38.University of California - San Diego 38 32 -6 13
39.Wake Forest University 38 28 -10 41
40.University of California - Davis 40 43 3 33</p>
<p>here's the link: <a href="http://www.carnegiecomm.com/resources/pcform.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.carnegiecomm.com/resources/pcform.html</a></p>
<p>Is it going to affect your college decision?</p>
<p>I like when they down grade my school a tad. Admissions in some cases gets easier :)</p>
<p>No! Not at all. My list is applying Early Decision to Cornell and then if i dont get in, i have NYU, Brandeis, Boston U (which btw is a disgusting ranking of 60, while still maintaining its worldwide fame compared to an unknown school like Lehigh), Univ of Rochester (went up to 35) and Syracuse. It doesnt change my view of the schools at all. It only reaffirms my belief in how bias US News is in economic ways.</p>
<p>nyu is hot bcos of Manhattan (and the Olsen twins?), neither of which have to do with academics -- it is and continues to be over-rated, IMO.</p>
<p>NYU is overrated..but its not worse than Lehigh, im sorry.</p>
<p>man...thanks for those rankings they make me feel sorry for myself...I go to a school whose avg. student makes $450k/year 10 years out of college. I should just go kill myself. Who wants to have a huge house and a ferrari by the time they're 32 when they're school isn't considered the best in the world. I'm so depressed now...</p>
<p>NYU > LEHIGH
but i think berkeley and michigan should be higher.</p>
<p>Yeah right.</p>
<p>Lehigh has got the whole Terrell Owens, Philadelphia Eagles training camp situation on their campus right now.</p>
<p>You know their drawing attention.</p>
<p>Big + for the US News Rankings, of course they're ahead of NYU!</p>
<p>(I hope you know i'm kidding... and if you don't know about this, you need to get out more)</p>
<p>gentlemen, what is the difference between the carnegie rank and US news, besides Penn being the only school to be very different lol</p>
<p>what do you mean by "rank of popularity".</p>
<p>IMO every public is heavily underrated in the USNews rankings, by at least 5-10 ranks.</p>
<p>These rankings have always been flawed however the statistics and specialty rankings are helpful.</p>
<p>Berkley is way underated in many world ranking charts it is among the top 5</p>
<p>Indiana University-Bloomington deserves more credit as well</p>
<p>Now that is an interesting comment? Do they deserve more credit than say Purdue or Notre Dame???</p>
<p>usnews rankings are known to be biased and overall flawed by many college administrators, high school guidance counselors, and current students and alumni, of every institution, not only by schools that have been dissed by the rankings, but schools that are favored by the sycophantic ranking system as well. basically, take them with a grain of salt....</p>
<p>Sounds like Sour grapes to me</p>
<p>I think the US News rankings are the most accurate rankings among all of the different systems</p>
<p>I mean what makes ppl think that Berkeley is automatically better than higher ranked schools like Notre Dame or Johns Hopkins? Just because Berkeley is universally more popular/fashionable doesn't mean that the UsNews is not accurate. Public schools are inherently inferior to private schools because private schools are usually ran much more efficiently and they usually have better faculty and resources, overall.</p>
<p>I know that someone will have something to say about that</p>
<p>Yes, I agree with Sebma. IU deserves more credit than either Purdue or Notre Dame, not because anyone and everyone could have a great education there, but because for music, business, and literature, it's as strong as any institution in the world, bar none.</p>
<p>King, you're trying to make a valid, if highly debatable, point. Why be inflammatory about it?</p>
<p>Everyone must keep in mind that the USN&WR is a commercial poll which favors small, private undergraduate programs. In contrast, the National Research Council (NRC) Report is the most prestigious and widely respected source of ranking. Unlike USN&WR, the NRC Report is non-commercial and is only published every 10 years. Common sense tells us that we shouldn't put too much weight on annual commercial polls whose primary mission is to sell copies of its publication. Common sense further tells us that no academic poll should change from year to year, if it has any integrity. The commercial polls tend to use more extraneous criteria in ranking the schools as well.</p>
<p>fiddlefrog I'm not debating about anything :p or at least I don't think I am.</p>
<p>I agree with others that Indiana is under rated by a good margin.</p>
<p>"Everyone must keep in mind that the USN&WR is a commercial poll which favors small, private undergraduate programs. In contrast, the National Research Council (NRC) Report is the most prestigious and widely respected source of ranking."</p>
<p>Well considering USNWR ranks graduate programs separately, I would hope they prefer undergraduate programs. And I also fail to see how NRC, which ranks graduate programs, can be compared to USNWR undergrad. Hmmm, apples to oranges?</p>