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<p>That's because no one cares. Additionally, your pessimism isn't wanted on the Cornell board, take it elsewhere. You can make a point without being downright rude.</p>
<p>Alright swirlie/contention person. Here it is: </p>
<p>*Cornell has a large and successful alumni network (i.e. Sanford Weill - one of the most successful CEOs in the world + Supreme Court Justice + Paul Wolfowitz + 6th highest percentage of graduates who go onto to top 50 law firms)</p>
<p>*Cornell is good in every field, excluding military ones. For comparison, Harvard sucks at Engineering, as does Yale + Dartmouth + Brown (i.e. Cornell is the best at engineering in the ivy league and among the best in the whole world)</p>
<p>*Cornell has a campus which will allow it to have unlimited campus expansion (i.e. other universities have to purchase space or cannot grow, Cornell can grow all it wants)</p>
<p>*faculty and students are campus orientated, meaning that you can actually get to know and meet them</p>
<p>*Cornell name impresses people A LOT!!!!</p>
<p>-Essentially, Cornell rocks in academics, prestige, connections and gives your career a huge boost!!</p>
<p>for specific proof go to [[<a href="http://www.wikipedia.com%5D%5D%5B/url">www.wikipedia.com]][/url</a>] and read the cornell page from top to bottom, or just do the easier version, use common sense!! :D</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell</a></p>
<p>-sorry, bad link! :D</p>
<p>I seriously doubt as well that the majority of students seek medical counseling regarding depression. I would bet that most students here (even though they are a small part of the Cornell community) would agree that even though there is sometimes pressure from the workload, Cornell is still an amazing place to live, study, work, and succeed.</p>
<p>P.S. Cornell's student suicide rate is lower than the national average. Cornell has the best response facilities. Also, the reason Cornell sent the girl home was because they felt she needed to spend some time away from campus (which is the logical approach). The Cornell Suicide problem is a myth (seriously). MIT's rate is 10.2, Cornell's is 4.2 (for example).</p>
<p>Most people aren't mentally unstable and can handle reasonable amounts of pressure. It doesn't really have anything to do with Cornell. If a student is severely depressed and a potential liability, a semester off is much more reasonable than the possibility of suicide and lawsuits.</p>
<p>"Cornell is a huge school"-true. I love big schools.</p>
<p>"One easily loses himself in the mass of students"-OR one makes an effort to make friends and discovers he has a large and diverse pool to choose from</p>
<p>"... that TIME just wrote an article about a student who seeked medical counseling for depression, only to have been kicked out weeks later..."-your point being? It's ONE student...</p>
<p>"WSJ rated it as a horrible feeder school for top professional schools... something like 25... behind all the ivy+ schools( ivies plus MIT, Stanford, and Chicago)"-WSJ=Worst ranking ever. Please do your research on their methodology and then come back and tell us if you still stand by their rankings.</p>
<p>I don't bash UChicago as that has nothing to do w/ my assertion that Cornell is a good school. Its flaws are obvious to everyone, hence, the low number of apps. and high acceptance rate.</p>
<p>"... that TIME just wrote an article about a student who seeked medical counseling for depression, ..."</p>
<p>I think it's "sought", not "seeked". I may be wrong though. :)</p>
<p>It is sought rather than "seeked." But isn't that something you'd expect from someone so ignorant?</p>
<p>About the TIME article...do you really think that other schools wouldn't do the same thing? When it comes to the welfare of one student compared to the welfare of an entire university, I think the university is going to choose itself. With any sufficiently large bureaucratic system, you'll get people who "fall through the cracks," so to speak. I'm sure similar things happen at other schools; its just Cornell is (incorrectly) known as a high-stress, high-sucide environment so logically TIME would use it as a setting for dramatic effect.</p>
<p>With the WSJ rankings, you need to think about the methodology of the rankings in terms of the nature of the schools involved. Cornell is a much more vocational school, with its significant Hotel, Architecture, and Engineering populations. Many of these students graduate with no intention of going into law, business, or medicine; therefore the percentage of Cornellians attending the top 5 schools in those areas would be greatly diminished. If you look at the raw numbers of those attending, Cornell has as many or more than almost all the schools on that list (though I'm not saying that that necessarily means Cornell is better, just Cornell is different from all those other schools). Also, those rankings have an inherent bias in that only a few schools are selected to be top? Does this take into account various biases (i.e. Cornellians might want to go to schools other than the top 5 for reasons other than prestige)? Who says which professional schools are the best (could the editors shuffle those around to make the schools they want be on top)? There are just too many variables with those rankings for them to be final judgement of undergraduate college worth.</p>
<p>As for the size issue, that's really just a matter of personal preference. Personally, I don't want to have to see the same few people every day; I'd like to be able to meet new people whenever I feel like it. The "isolation" of Cornell (which is a "flaw" that I'm surprised you didn't mention) is great for developing meaningful friendships, IMO.</p>
<p>lol. I think that felipecocco got served - multiple times - not only logically but also gramatically. owned =).</p>
<p>Here's a shocking & regretable story about students at Princeton & Cornell cutting themselves; it's how they deal with the stress.</p>
<p>the suicide rate at Cornell is below the national average, this has been established on these boards before.</p>
<p>OP, don't go to Cornell. Its a very stupid school where the student body sucks. Our professors are ****ty and don't the difference between a neutron and proton. We were chosen as an Ivy by random chit picking. Goto your local community college, its 1000 times better.All of us misleading you saying that Cornell even come close to competing with Timbuktu Institute of Mining are living in a fool's paradise. We are all absolutely retarded oafs residing at Ithaca...U'll become one of us, and you wouldn't want to waste your superior intellect with us, which is probably why your asking such complex and difficult question...</p>
<p>You need to find something to do with your time Arjun.</p>
<p>I just read that article collegeparents. But they honestly can't be serious. I mean, "one in five?" I believe that's pretty ridiculous. I've never heard of anyone injuring themselves to cope with stress, it just seems insane.</p>
<p>There are better ways to cope with stress. I'm not really the perpetually stressed-out type, but I find that when stressed, it's best to just buckle down and get all your work done (I may be alone in saying this). Then, you won't be stressed anymore because you can go do whatever you want. Going out and doing something fun with your friends also works for me, and videogames aren't half bad either (blowing virtual heads off is a great stress-reducer!).</p>
<p>collegeparent, I would question the validity of the survey.</p>
<p>Yes, the numbers seem shocking.</p>
<p>I've met hundreds of people at Cornell...the survey claims nearly 1 in 5 inflict self injury. I knew someone in highschool that did this (who later got help, and is fine today)...but I have not met anyone at cornell that does this.</p>
<p>I'll be conservative and say I probably run into 150 people on a regular basis, enough to know if something like that is going on. That would mean, if representative of the general cornell population...30 of them cut themselves. However, none of them do....so that either suggests to me that I was very selective of who I met, or the survey has some flaws. Even if they do it in secret, I'd be bound to discover at least one instance.</p>
<p>I might believe it if the percentage was much lower. However, the number is so high, that it suggests to me that either the sample size or sample group was flawed.</p>
<p>"Seventeen percent said they had purposely injured themselves; among those, 70 percent had done so multiple times."</p>
<p>It's definitely hard to believe that 17% of people intentionally injure themselves. The headline of the article makes it seem as though the individuals cut themselves on a regular basis, which is simply not true, since the survey question asked people if they had ever hurt themselves. I don't even understand how the colleges could have anything to do with it, since there was no time frame specified for the acts of self-injury; people were simply asked if they had ever injured themselves. It's quite possible that many of the respondents were "cutters" in high school and have gotten over the angsty emo-teen phase. I know there was a particular group in high school who would cut themselves in visible places as a blatent cry for attention, but I don't see that in college. I guess people have gotten over it, making the survey invalid, or have become more secretive about it. I think the survey is vague and poorly worded, giving yet more unwarranted bad publicity to Cornell. I don't know any self-injurers and I have many friends at Cornell. I know one girl who used to and would therefore answer "yes" to the survey and contribute to the notion that Cornellians currently cut themselves, because the question is poorly worded.</p>
<p>Regarding the cutting article: it fails to establish a causal relationship between cutting and the environment of the college. I'm willing to bet that a significant proportion of those students who do cut on a regular basis would do so at any college they went to; in fact the article mentions that the results are similar to what happens at other colleges. I don't believe this article has anything bad to say about the environments at Cornell or Princeton, just a disturbing phenomenom that is happening across the nation.</p>
<p>It's just like the suicide thing...it happens everywhere, but just because the article mentions Cornell doesn't mean it's a significant problem at Cornell (since Cornell's suicide rate is below the national average...).</p>
<p>Quoted from the article:</p>
<p>"Among the Ivy League students who harmed themselves, about half said they'd experienced sexual, emotional or physical abuse that researchers think can trigger self-abuse."</p>
<p>Do we really think these students experienced the sexual, emotional, or physical abuse AFTER they entered Cornell or Princeton? Is there any evidence that these students would not harm themselves if they did not come to Cornell or Princeton? What are the numbers at other Ivy League schools, and/or other colleges in general?</p>