<p>Hey, I am second semester senior at college, give me a break. I am sure I won’t be lurking around forum when I graduate. (maybe not)</p>
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<p>You know, what I mentioned earlier was that very few people actually have a ‘strong’ connection, i.e. have a family member who is a partner at a big firm, etc. The best you can hope for is attending a high ranked school, getting strong grades, and interviewing well.</p>
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<p>Coming from Columbia, as long as you are above median, you have a very strong chance of landing good offers. I am sure there are outliers who got the short end of the stick for whatever reasons, and my sincere apologies to them.</p>
<p>lazy, I wish you much success, but be realistic - Yale or the lowest ranked school in the country, work is very hard to come by when like 1/4 to 1/3 of Harvard’s graduating class from last year still has no work, spending 3 years in law school is risky unless you are truly committed and passionate about the law and would be willing to take a job outside of the law if nothing else works out.<br>
But don’t feel bad, the job crisis affects most every profession.
Aside from nursing where graduates get multiple job offers, even the ones at the bottom of the class in a low level school, everything out there is very hard.
yeah doctors get work, but how many people want to spend 10 + years in school and incur big debt.
I just wish the economy would get better in terms of jobs.</p>
<p>That was the point I was making; your class rank matters a lot in landing good jobs at law school. Like I said, being below-median at your school, despite being at Harvard, isn’t too good of a sign in this economy. Being above-median at a top school, your shot at landing good offers is still strong. And, by top school, I mean at least top-10 law school.</p>
<p>well I hope you are correct, but just know that the job market in law (as it is in many areas) is very very weak. try and make connections, even at small firms - seek out any family members that work in law. better to work at a 3 man law firm than no firm at all.
p.s. whatever school you go to, call over to their placement office and ask them for the top 1/2 of the previous graduating class, how many of them were able to get a job in law
at columbia they say that about 72% of the top 1/2 of last year’s graduating class has so far secured work. I guess that is not bad, but what about the other 28%, not to mention the 1/2 at the bottom.
after talking about this, my dad - a lawyer - is telling me to go to nursing school!!!
when you think about it, it is nice to graduate with multiple job offers no matter the school and start at around 100K.
ok - call me Nurse
I wish you success!!</p>
<p>Yeah, right now is a bad time to consider law school. Yet, consider going to college in the first place. The vast majority of college grads will end up getting very low paying jobs - if they are lucky to get jobs at all. In fact, I know of several people who make more waiting tables than many recent college grads. At least in a law school, you have a shot at making 160k plus bonus, if you make it to the big firm.</p>
<p>yeah me too, but I don’t think there is anything but nursing where you only need to study for about 4 years and are guaranteed multiple job offers for decent money.
I hope you are one of those that make it to the big firm!</p>
<p>Lazykid is right. Rankings for law school matters the most in terms of job placement. Let’s say you go to a non-top 20 school, become the most popular guy around with tons of connections, do you think you’re going to make top salary? No, if you have connections with a bunch of noobs, you will be a nooblet and have a noob job. What matters is the quality of those connections, and quality of connection is directly correlated with prestige/ ranking of university</p>
<p>Thank you for your always valued input, nooblet. I only hope you will continue to bless us with your </p>
<p>As for Cornell Law School placement, just because a relatively small percentage of Cornell’s graduates choose to pursue law doesn’t mean Cornell doesn’t produce an incredible amount of well-respected Law School candidates. Of students that connected with PLAN (Cornell’s Pre-Law Advisory Network), I’ve read (can’t cite sorry) 92% of applicants get accepted into law schools and over 40% get into their top choice.
Cornell’s Pre-Law Advising Network is well-respected and has connections to every respected Law School. Every year ILR and CAS sends kids to Harvard law, as well as every other top grad school.
[ILR</a> Undergraduate Admissions: Employers and Schools](<a href=“http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/admissions/careers/employers.html]ILR”>http://www.ilr.cornell.edu/admissions/careers/employers.html)</p>
<p>only ones missing from that list are Harvard and Yale, but it seems those schools don’t really need to promote themselves anywhere… other schools should mention it if Harvard/Yale Law School promote at their school.</p>
<p>Definitely right.<br>
Ivys are very good schools, though in all honesty some don’t compare to the likes of Stanford, MIT and even Duke, and others in certain surveys. I love Cornell but I don’t think anyone really compares it to a school like Stanford in terms of ranking or prestige.
But for me and a lot of people Cornell is a great fit.
Forget about the surveys and don’t worry about the term IVY
You need to select a school based on fit and location.
I think the best advice for anyone is to go to a school that fits your needs and is a good location.
Like my college counselor said, if you are from the midwest and like the big state school feel and are premed, then absolutely go to UM Flint Honors - and they have a 100% admission success rate to medical school without screening out anyone. If you are sure you want to study premed and stay in the Northeast and don’t mind the cold weather, then try for Dartmouth - they also say about 100% into med school without screening.
[url=<a href=“http://www.umflint.edu/majors/premed.htm]Pre-Med[/url”>http://www.umflint.edu/majors/premed.htm]Pre-Med[/url</a>]
If you live in NY and like the city and want to go to law school, Columbia’s success at getting students into top law schools is second to none according to the NY Times.
for finance, on average according to the Wall Street Journal report, Williams grads make more money as a starting salary than any other school
You just have to pick the right mix of qualities, and not look at selectivity or ivy or things like that. It is about location and fit of the school for the particular student.
Never pick a school because of its name or being in the ivy league.
The nice thing about Cornell is that it offers so many choices that if you switch majors or career paths, there are many, many different options. The wide array of classes is something that most schools don’t have.<br>
Good luck to everyone.</p>
<p>Which Ivy League school do the most students apply to?
Cornell Can I get into a top Law School from Cornell?
Yes. Many students from Cornell get into top schools. There are plenty of resources and connections to get you anywhere you want to go. Except Yale Law for some reason the school’s aren’t on friendly terms. Can I get into a top Business School / MBA program from Cornell?
Yes. The Hotel School, ILR, Ag, and CAS programs are all well-respected in the business community. The Ag school’s AEM is a top #5 undergrad business program, and students in any college can take classes across all fields at any school. Can I get into a kush Wall Street gig from Cornell?
[url=<a href=“http://www.orie.cornell.edu/fineng/]Yes.[/url”>http://www.orie.cornell.edu/fineng/]Yes.[/url</a>] Many successful Wall Street firms actively recruit across all colleges at Cornell, including Goldman (though Goldman seemingly targets ILR some years).<br> Can I get into a top Med School from Cornell?
Hell Yes. Arts & Sciences, CALS, and HumEc sends kids to top med schools every year. Can I do research at Cornell? What about going on to pursue a PhD?
Absolutely. Cornell is #2 PhD feeder school in the US. There is no better undergrad to pursue a career in academia. But I don’t want to go to law school, business school, or medical school. I don’t even know what I want to do.
Where will I have the most options after I graduate?
Cornell</p>
<p>Why do you guys care so much? This is an internet forum. Both of your arguments are mundane and repeat the same 2 or 3 points. You are clearly not going to change the other person’s mind so why don’t you just let it go and do something productive. Or if you really want to rank stuff, go on college A C B dot com</p>
<p>Cornell can definitely compare to duke.
MIT (engineering) and Stanford, perhaps little less so but the difference is minute. But really, having that ivy league tag is definitely worth a lot. It really depends on what you want to major in and what you want to do within each school, though. Remember, you are spending four years there. Get to know the sort of people that go to each school and which top school will give you the most opportunities and the best four years of your life.</p>
Because they’re profoundly miserable people and squabbling with vitriol about the most meaningless sh** supersedes having a life. </p>
<p>I honestly don’t get why any Cornell student would stoop to this level and legitimize this argument by even responding. You’re trying to defend our school’s honor? Really? By arguing with some crater-faced 17 year-old virgin on the internet? Who cares what some high school student thinks. They’re not even people yet, nothing they say matters.</p>
<p>^definitely right in that it depends on what you want to major in
I personally think the ivy name tag is nice, but not a super difference
in terms of grad schools, I really don’t think name is that important as is the particular student.
at my high school, they post something that the local school district assembled in terms of med school and law school admissions. I’ll try and post it here if anyone is interested.
It shows the rate of acceptance to med school from all the colleges in the NY NJ MA and PA area. There are some schools like SUNY Geneseo, Dartmouth and many other schools that have close to 100% admit rates for first time md applicants (without any screening). Cornell was in the middle - low end of the pack at around 71% this past year, which I found a bit surprising. It may be better than the national average, but I think cornell pre med advising should try and improve and get closer in pre med placement to some of the schools, like Swarthmore, and some of the SUNY schools.<br>
I can’t figure out why cornell does not have a better success rate at getting kids into med school, unless it is possibly because of the lack of nearby hospital internships / volunteer work and I may want to go to dental or med school some day.
For law school, Columbia had the best acceptance rate, followed by Williams, Harvard and Amherst.
As the post says above, the key is what you want to major in - go to a school that can get you to the goal of your major. For the undecided, cornell is great because it offers so many different fields of study, but don’t go to a school because it is an ivy - go there because it offers a close as possible to 100% chance of getting you where you want to go with your major.
p.s. the data shows that cornell had virtually 99% acceptance into North East graduate engineering programs, even better that the 94%of Yale.
If you are going to Cornell for Engineering and want to go on for a MA or PhD you are in very good shape based on the data.</p>
<p>You only get 100% when you have those programs or you have screening.
Realistically, it is rather hard to get a good gpa (at least 3.6 to have a real shot) in cornell than say some other state schools with honor programs, so it would be harder in this way. But it is a trade-off between undergrad prestige/education quality and ease of taking the premed track.</p>
<p>Nowhere will you get 100% acceptance without screening. If a place does have 100% acceptance, then kids with like 2.7 gpa would apply get in as well.</p>
The fact is that schools like Dartmouth and Michigan Flint have close to 100%. Michigan Flint’s own data shows that to be true.<br>
don’t rely on outside data or comments here at cc.
Look at Dartmouth or Suny Geneseo and their own premed stats - without screening.
Look at the college’s own data - not the stuff here on cc.<br>
[url=<a href=“http://www.umflint.edu/majors/premed.htm]Pre-Med[/url”>http://www.umflint.edu/majors/premed.htm]Pre-Med[/url</a>]
I don’t think the UNiversity of Michigan would lie.
their honors program has a 100% admit!
Cornell is an ivy, but don’t get caught up in that.
Cornell has better than the national average in terms of premed admissions, but nowhere near many other schools like Dartmouth, Michigan or Swartmore and many others that don’t screen.
Cornell is a great place and I may wind up premed or pre dental.
I don’t remember if you have been admitted ed, but check with your school guidance office about premed and college success rate. Cornell is at about 71%. Last year, the data my H.S. gave us shows that some 3.9 kids from cornell did not get into any school. He have us a print out from a cornell site so you can probably find it.
When it comes to premed - look at the data, not the stuff here on cc and while I like the Ivy name tag, that is not something to consider for premed. Suny Geneseo, if you are a NY resident, is a lot cheaper and nearly 100% admit to med school. The numbers are the facts. Cornell’s numbers are impressive in relation to the national average, but going to dartmouth or many others is basically a lock on getting in.
I don’t think Dartmouth would release false data - they also probably don’t have any students with a 2.7 gpa.<br>
My counselor says don’t rely on median grade data because at cornell even the classes with an a or b median still have a lot of Cs and some Ds. Dartmouth does not grade on a curve like cornell
He showed us the biology class at cornell data from 2007 where the median grade was a D!!!<br>
Just be careful and don’t get caught up on the ivy name tag if med school is your goal.
Just my opinion and good luck.
Ask your high school guidance counselor for the “Tri-State Pre Med Survey - 2010.” Cornell is in the middle of the pack in terms of admissions to med school.
Whatever, very good luck to you.</p>