<p>Uh no stop ■■■■■■■■. Cornell does way better than middle of the pack in med school admissions. Even berkeley is above middle of the pack and it’s only like 55% or something, which is better than the national average of 46%. I don’t know how UM flint honors gets kids up to 100% admit (pretty sure there’s screening… UMich is not UM flint btw), but that doesn’t concern me. Dartmouth doesn’t have 100%. UM flint and SUNY geneseo aren’t bad schools but come on, not even near cornell caliber.</p>
<p>swarthmore does have an admittance into med school of 90% which is super impressive – but if you look at it there are only 10 people applying, lol. Pretty sure others were weeded out by gpa or they were screened anyways. Generally, when you look at small schools, they tend to have a very small number of people applying to med schools which is totally unrepresentative of anything – many applicants may choose not to apply based on their poor GPA. Only cornell gives comprehensive data on gpa/mcat stats with admission %'s, when kids with GPAs as low as 3.4 applying (some even lower). 75% with kids at or above 3.6 gpa regardless of mcats seems pretty darn good to me.</p>
<p>Uh i googled “Tri-State Pre Med Survey - 2010” i couldn’t find anything.</p>
<p>lol if the median of intro bio was a D then it’s a pretty big difference since it’s a B+ now. If it’s really hard or if it’s a weeding course i can skip it. I got ap credits across the sciences.</p>
<p>seriously stop doing this just to screw with me. I really regret telling you that i’m a premed. What you’re doing is not funny. It’s not informative. It’s just annoying.</p>
<p>just chill
the UM data is real - so I was just trying to point out that when you said no one has 100% admit rate - UM Flint has it. Dartmouth reports 98% admit rate last year - don’t think they are lying.
I wish you well, but don’t rely on googling and cc for your info. If you would like I will try and find that report on the school’s web site and post it. I believe it was compiled by the Bronx High School of Science. According to my H.S. advisor Bronx Science H.S. in New York does not have many kids that are premed go to cornell because of the data.
don’t google and do’t rely on cc - look at what the colleges themselves report.
If you are 100% sure you are premed, then just know the facts. Cornell was #75 out of 176 in premed programs in terms of admissions to med schools from a survey of colleges and universities in the NY, NJ PA areas.<br>
Just look at the data - not the bs here on cc,
Premed is about going to med school.
May I kindly suggest that you may be a little too caught up in the ivy league name tag.
Just look at the numbers reported by the schools themselves.
Cornell reports about 71% - that is thankfully better than the national average
but there are so many schools, yes a lot of them are smaller, but in terms of admit to med school cornell is in the middle of the pack of the Northeast Colleges with kids applying to med schools.
If you are 100% premed, keep your options open
P.S. You said Dartmouth does not have 100% admissions - they did in 09 and in 10 it was close to 100%. I just wish cornell could get to 85% or higher like some of the SUNY schools and some smaller schools in the NY NJ area colleges.
Maybe Cornell can figure out how Dartmouth gets close to 100% in and follow their lead.
Whatever, good luck to you.
P.S. you said you don’t know how U Mich flint does it - but the fact is they do and a lot of schools get 100% in. I think you agree that U Mich is not lying (like a lot of people do here at cc)</p>
<p>I’d like to see you cite sources besides UMFlint which is pretty dubious.
Dartmouth definitely does not have 100%. It may have slightly over 80 but you never know because of their admission skewing tricks (which all schools employ). Smaller schools and state schools tend to have higher numbers as well. A ton of other schools screen their applicants. So please stop posting until you have an idea of what you are saying. I looked up everything you said and i have yet to encounter anything of the sort.</p>
<p>Why would you concern yourself with premed statistics (even though false in many of your cases) in the first place if you are doing engineering? That is a better question.</p>
<p>Uhm if a lot of schools do it and they get 100% of the schools then there would be even more schools that get 0% of applicants in, seeing how the national average is 46%. Name the whole lot of those other schools that get 100% of their applicants in without screening. Your argument is pretty ridiculous.</p>
<p>The UMich you refer to at least the more prestigious one is at ann arbor. I have never even heard of flint.</p>
<p>Oh by the way, it is pretty annoying to see you say “That is definitely right” and then go on about the exact opposite points like they were what we were talking about. I wish after you say “Good Luck”, you would go away so you can stop spouting lies.</p>
<p>For some reason, you want to rely on google and cc more than the data from actual colleges.
1 - I gave you the UM data of 100% admit rate. You said you don’t know how they do it. But they do it and that’s what counts.
2 - You said Dartmouth does not get close to 100% in as I suggested.
Here is the link showing the 08 admit data which was about 90% and I will shortly provide the link from dartmouth direct which shows the lst 2 years were close to 100%
[Perspectives</a> from Dartmouth Admissions: So you want to be pre-med?](<a href=“http://dartmouthperspectives.blogspot.com/2009/11/so-you-want-to-be-pre-med.html]Perspectives”>Perspectives from Dartmouth Admissions: So you want to be pre-med?)
3 - Stop googling and stop reading bs stuff here on cc with something as serious as med school admissions. Talk to your HS guidance counselor and ask him for something called the tri state pre med report or something with a name like that prepared by the Bronx High School of Science. It is a great resource if you are thinking premed.
4 - I see you say you never heard of Flint. Don’t get caught up on names or ivy or things like that. With premed go to the best school for you. UM Flint has 100% admit rate - and I can imagine a lot of students who go to Cornell or NYU or others with admit rates in the 65-70% range hate to see that but the truth is the truth - and the truth is generally not here on cc but from the school itself.
5 - Premed is not like other areas of study. It is about your career goal and pursuing it. Cornell is excellent, but I don’t think anyone suggests that it is very high in terms of med admits. Cornell is about 71% I think. But when you see the list from Bronx Science you will see almost 100 colleges with admit rates that are higher, and at least 50 that are between 90 and 100% admit rate - vassar, dartmouth,…<br>
Cornell is very good for the sciences and esp research
premed however is another story - you need to make an informed decision based on the data from the colleges themselves. If they don’t post the data, then as my H.S. advisor says, pick up the phone and call their pre health office and ask point blank is your acceptance rate over 90%. The schools will answer you honestly.
Don’t get caught up in prestige or ivy. Get caught up in the facts.
when I visited Columbia University in NYC their preprofessional office has a flyer that shows last year they hit 94%+ admit rate to med school. Given that Columbia and Dartmouth are IVY, maybe they will share their secrets for getting such high admit rates.
At least acknowledge that 100% schools and many schools with 95 - 100% admit rate are out there a lot of people see that # from U mich and say something to ignore the fact because they envy schools that can do it.<br>
Forget about prestige
concentrate on what is best for your pursuits.
Wishing you much luck …</p>
<p>You know if a school has 100% admit rate, everyone who applies for med gets in? This is not possible without screening, or else people with really low gpas and mcats would apply and still get in. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?</p>
<p>Dartmouth premed students are weeded out just like kids following premed in any school. You have to know the schools’ numbers tricks</p>
<p>Seriously, you have to know more about the process before commenting on it.</p>
<p>I wish you much luck too, seeing how much of a prick you are and how unqualified you seem to be for your position in cornell…</p>
<p>Ridiculous? Just understand, as I am sure you do, that all schools have weeding out.
So Dartmouth, Cornell, Columbia and all the other schools also have weed out.
But why is it Antiflamer that schools like Columbia get 94% in, Dartmouth 90+ % in, U Mich Flint = 100% in, and about 50 others with 90 - 100% in? Are you saying that Dartmouth, UMICh - Flint and Columbia are all lying? Call Columbia and ask them to send you their premed flyer that they give out to prospective students. Call Dartmouth, UMIC, etc and ask if their own web site info is accurate.<br>
You just need to understand the process before commenting.
I respect your opinion but believe you relied on google and College Confidential to make your college selection without gathering data from the schools.
I see you said that “ivy league schools are the best in the world” in post #91. Yes, they are excellent and so are many others. I think you are very caught up on the ivy name - even for cornell.
You should have, however, examined what is involved in premed before reacting so aggressively to the documented data from the schools themselves. If, as it seems, you think UMich Flint is lying when they say 100% or the other schools like Dartmouth or Columbia - etc are lying when they say, 90-95% pre med admit, then maybe they are - but I don’t think so. I think school data is more reliable than google or cc.
Don’t react so wildly. Just make informed decisions. You need to get the data from the school. Looking at stuff here on cc for stats, admits, etc. is a waste of time.
You seem to want to believe that the data of 90 - 100% was impossible. I showed you UMICh-Flint and your response was that only Ann Arbor is prestigious.
You are caught up in the ivy name. I would only say that before you decide where to go look at the data from the school for premed. Cornell is very good at 71% - actually excellent. However, they are not in the 90 - 100% range that many other schools are.
IActually, neither of us are qualified. But the numbers from the school are real and that is a qualification in and of itself. Don’t get upset, just wait until you get back all your application responses and pick the school that you believe is the best premed for you.
If you get into Dartmouth and you like the location - it is one of the best for premed in terms of admit. Cornell is also good, just a lower admit rate.
P.S. Would you call me (or anyone else) a prick in person? somehow I think not…
anyway, don’t google or cc your way to what you think is the right school.
You need to know more about the process - premed is a whole different ball game and that is why many schools, like Columbia with 94% admit (without screening), boast about their numbers.<br>
No offense, but I somehow think you feel the need to justify going to an certain school based on name. and it seems that now having been confronted with the irrefutable data from the schools themselves, you are just trying to say that something is wrong with it just to make yourself feel better.
A more rational reaction would have been - UMich Flint - 100% “wow - but not a very large school at Mich”; Columbia 94% - “wow, but Columbia is filled with kids whose parents are doctors” Dartmouth 90 - 95%, “very impressive, but dartmouth is a lot harder to get into to begin with.”
That would have been an understandable response.
Instead, you say that UMich Flint is not prestigious and the numbers are impossible. Hey man, the numbers are what counts - not college confidential.
Wish you good luck.
Have a bleesed day.
I wish you well in your choice of college do very much believe that you need to contact the premed offices at the colleges you are considering so you will have actual data.</p>
<p>FWIW, Cornell shows success rate data by GPA and MCAT score.
Do these other schools do that? Do they show that students from their school with an MCAT score of 2 and a GPA of 2 get into med school? I’m guessing that they don’t provide such breakout. </p>
<p>Before attributing any success to the school itself, you have to know that the applicant populations being compared are the same. At least isolate by MCAT score, and compare the results of students with comparable MCATs. There is no way of saying what the school contributed to the applicant’s success or whether we are just dealing with somewhat non-identical applicant pools, whether due to greater diversity of abilities at matriculation, or due to stiffer pre-screening and pre-weeding.(Or, for that matter, if the data reported is really correct, or “massaged” somehow).</p>
<p>My own experience at Cornell was: there were brilliant people there, there were really smart people there, and there were also some not so smart people there, and even some idiots. At the end of the day, the smart people and brilliant people tended to do better with subsequent destinations and the idiots tended to do worse. What a surprise !! Everyone did not achieve the same result coming out of there, but everyone was not the same coming into there either. People by and large got what they deserved, based on their own individual merits. If that’s a lot different elsewhere I’d be somewhat surprised.</p>
<p>It would not surprise me though if some places had different proportions of brilliant people vs. idiots from the outset. In fact one can make that call simply by comparing SAT midranges of the incoming classes. And it also wouldn’t surprise me if the standards for pre-med committee rec letter writing and pre-screening varied among institutions.</p>
<p>englandern, not only are your posts impossible to read since you don’t seem to know what the “enter” key does, but they’re also mostly about the same thing (starting with how you shouldn’t buy into the ivy name too much, some bs about how other ivy colleges are better, then how cornell is all about fit and good luck in the process). </p>
<p>Listen to Antiflamer and monydad. It seems like you’re not comparing the same data. So you’re basically saying that people with 2.0s and 20s on the MCAT get into med school if they’re from Dartmouth/Columbia/etc? I don’t think so. These schools are just reporting a skewed sample, and it seems to be working since people like you are buying into it.</p>
<p>Also, monydad
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<p>I just wish Cornell would cut down on the number of idiots they accept (which I flame over on all my threads as you very well know).</p>
<p>^such as englandern, who brilliantly uses the same false argument over and over again and uses his genius at annoying the crap out of other people</p>
<p>Hello guys and gals. Just joined today after finding this wonderful site. What a great resource. I’ve been reading posts for the last 2 hours. The post included in this thread on Premedical statistics for institutions of higher learning is not from Bronx Science. That is incorrect as I have seen the document myself. It is 4 pages long. It is from Stuyvesant HS and probably can be looked at at either Science, Stuy or Tech. I think it was complied about 2 years ago by Stuy guidance. At Stuy it is stapled right to the top of the College Acceptance File in Room 236 for anyone to look at. J lets you look at it but not take it home. I think my sister told me that Hunter has a copy posted on their school web site, but you may need to have student access. I am just about sure that Cornell University is somewhere in the top half of a very long list which has about 200 schools listed. Just based on memory, I think it was listed as #50-55 out of 200 (no lower) in term of the acceptance rate of medical school admissions. I think the post is correct that it only includes Colleges in the New York, New Jersey and Pennsylvania area, but I am not positive about that.</p>
<p>So we all agree that Cornell offers well above-average (even above Cal Berkeley) pre-med placement? And we also all agree never to go to a hospital in Michigan, because they’ll let anyone that applies become a doctor there, regardless of qualifications?</p>
<p>Cornell is the best Ivy League undergraduate institution by far. You guys aren’t getting it, you’re too caught up with admit rates and rankings systems. The fact is, you’re not learning anything at any other school that Cornell students can’t learn at Cornell, but Cornell students can learn much much more than you can. Cornell offers superior socioeconomic and intellectual diversity, as well as connections to virtually every industry in the world (even some you don’t even know exist). </p>
<p>Fact is, there will be some dumb people at every school, even the Ivies. A few will always sneak in. I know kids at Harvard, Penn, and Stanford who all complain constantly about how many ridiculously ignorant rich kids get in either on legacy or somehow gaming the system. The fact is, the Ivy League school with the most “brilliant” people is consistently going to be Cornell. (by sheer numbers and the diversity in fields)</p>
<p>This isn’t to say that Cornell is the best school for everyone. If you’re overwhelmed by large crowds of interesting people, or if a competitive culture gets you down, or if you want to avoid a rigorous undergraduate education and get into med school with a nice inflated undergrad GPA… don’t go to Cornell. If you want to learn more about society, sciences, and the world than any other institution can offer… if you want to maximize your options, if you want to meet people from diverse backgrounds (geographically and socioeconomically), then go to Cornell.</p>
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Well, 27000-something students perceived that to be the case and got rejected. Cornell rejected the most applicants of any Ivy League school other than Harvard. “Most penetrable” my ass.</p>
<p>Med school acceptance rates are garbage and EASILY manipulated.</p>
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<li><p>First is the school’s definition of “medical school.” Cornell specifically only uses allopathic medical schools in their calculations. If a college decides to include osteopathic med schools (which are far less competitive), it can boost its acceptance rate A LOT. All those 3.3, 29 students who are marked as a “failure” under Cornell’s statistics most likely ended up at a DO school. </p></li>
<li><p>Some colleges, especially LAC’s, have suspiciously low # of med school applicants. For example, Swarthmore boasts a 100% senior applicant acceptance rate to med school…6 senior applicants total vs. 40+ alumni applicants. Typically, a college should have a 50/50 split b/w senior and alumni applicants (which Cornell does). When I see a 6/43 ratio, I know funny business is going on. A lot of LAC’s (even some which are garbage) boast 100% acceptance rates. Unlike Cornell or Harvard which produce 300-500 applicants a year, these no-name LAC’s produce 10-20 applicants a year. It is much easier for them to influence applicants and manipulate their data. For that reason, I don’t trust data from any school that doesn’t produce at least 100 applicants a year.</p></li>
<li><p>Using actual data. I applaud schools like Cornell, Michigan, and Emory that make vast amounts of data available to it students in the form of GPA/MCAT charts over many years. I see a lot of stats thrown out, 90% acceptance rate for this school, 85% acceptance rate for that school, most of which is heresay and inaccurate. I want data from schools. Not some vague mention in a recruiting brochure about how “our students are very successful in obtaining admission to medical school!” Which medical school? The Carribbean or Polish medical schools? Or US allopathic medical schools. Which applicants? All applicants or only applicants with 4.0 GPA’s and 39 MCAT’s whose daddies donate $100,000 a year to the medical school? </p></li>
<li><p>The range of years used to calculate the acceptance rate: this is obvious. Medical school admissions is more competitive now than it was 5 or 10 years ago. Cornell provides up to date year by year data. Some colleges are still using their acceptance rates from 2002. Just last year, I saw a Penn page quoting its awesome 2003 med school acceptance rate lol </p></li>
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<p>Anyway, I personally think medical school acceptance rates are useless. If you believe in them and actually use them to pick colleges, you will be very disappointed. I’m very surprised at the number of gullible HSers who take these numbers at face value. If you do end up being a doctor, you’ll probably end up one of those terrible doctors who switch all of their patients to the latest unproven drug after some bimbo drug rep flashes some doctored (no pun intended) charts and statistics in your face.</p>
Ya whatever, basically what we’re saying is more people get rejected from Cornell than even apply to Columbia, Penn, Dartmouth, Yale, or Princeton.</p>
<p>Well, I for one agree with WillHeMakeIt. Obviously no one’s claiming Cornell is the best in each field (which is why this should have never devolved into a rankings ****ing match), but it does provide a stellar education across a huge array of fields that no one else at that level of quality can come close to touching. </p>
<p>Based on that criteria, I’m not sure how anyone could argue the point since it’s a statement of defensible facts based on numbers. Just depends on what one values in an institution.</p>
<p>Cornell has the most competitive admissions process though. How so? It has the most competition. I think how many students actively apply to a school is a better measure of its prestige than how few regular decision acceptances it has. The quality of the applicants are virtually indistinguishable, and the quantity of Cornell applicants is far greater.</p>
<p>Also, you can’t divide the admit rates and claim that’s quantifiably “how many times harder” it is to get in. If you don’t see how that’s faulty logic, I expect you probably won’t get into any of the Ivies anyway.</p>
<p>I was very simply saying that cornell - which has slightly more - but very similar the amount of applications as the other ivys and top schools, accepts 2X to 3X the amount of Harvard, Yale etc. That is all I was saying. The math seems easy. If Cornell and Harvard get virtually the same amount of apps - which they do, and cornell accepts about 18% and harvard about 7%, the math seems pretty obvious. Don’t multiply the admit rate. Simply compare them - cornell may get a bit more applications than the others, but they are all close, but cornell accepts 2X to 3X more than the others. I think cornell looks like a terrific undergrad experience. If Harvard gets 35K apps and cornell gets 36K apps (about the same #) you need to look at the fact that Harvard took 1/3 the amount of cornell - from basically the same # of applications.
Harvard, Stan, and Columbia all got about the same # of applicants as cornell, but accepted a fraction of what cornell accepted.
If that does not make them more competitive, what does??
Of course, there may be some different stats as concerns the different colleges at cornell.
Maybe you can explain how cornell has the most competition when it gets the approx same # of applications as Harvard or Yale but admits 3 times as many students?
Avoid multiplying admit rates - that is faulty logic.
Just use the raw numbers.
I won’t insult you like you did me above; I will just wait for your explanation.
Whatever, very good luck to you and I hope you get in to whatever college you want.</p>
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