<p>Even though an admission to Cornell University may not provide the status symbol or ego boost other Ivy League admissions offer, Cornell University offers the highest quality of undergraduate education with greatest amount of knowledge in the widest array of fields.</p>
<p>This is why it is the best Ivy.</p>
<p>But in the real world, employers want their employees to be specialized. That’s why the quality of specific programs matter. Although it is the cornell spirit, no cornell student is truly going to learn everything across the field offered at cornell unless he wants to be a renaissance man and we know how many businesses hire renaissance men.</p>
<p>Connections, endowments, reputation/prestige, strength of the program, opportunities offered at the school, they all matter. That’s why I believe that “Plant bio” site put it pretty well holistically - even though there is no true “Objective ranking” and rankings only matter across majors. They put it in order via several well-respected “college ranking sites”.</p>
<p>After taking everything into consideration, princeton is the best undergrad ivy (though cornell is not far behind), and harvard is the best grad ivy. At least, in my opinion. You have a right to challenge my opinion, but it is my opinion.</p>
<p>I’m done.</p>
<p>Sorry antiflamer, I didn’t intend to attack you so harshly, but in #155 you made these incorrect statements:</p>
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Neither does Cornell.
Asian students tend to perform less well in CR than white students, especially in California.</p>
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It is not ridiculous for the University of California to admit most of its students from California. Where do you think most of the research funding comes from? (hint: california state taxes)
Cal Berkeley is a Pac-10 school. Athletes are particularly heavily recruited.</p>
<p>It’s not that you’re ignorant, it’s just that you’re spreading misinformation and I don’t approve. It’s hypocritical of me to say this of course, as I have posted incorrect data about the A&S school earlier in the thread, but beyond being inaccurate I found your post to be somewhat offensive. I apologize for my offhand commentary.</p>
<p>Please refer back to my previous posts and stop nitpicking over my errors in one post which i admitted. You are just avoiding to give legatimate reasons to back up your argument.</p>
<p>I narrowed it down by saying there is no “de jure” cap.</p>
<p>Asians do worse than whites in critical reading… oh really?
[Fast</a> Facts](<a href=“http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171]Fast”>Fast Facts: SAT scores (171))</p>
<p>I said the competition out of state for berkeley is ridiculous as in it is hard for out of state students. I did not say that berkeley’s preference of in state students is ridiculous.</p>
<p>I am not too sure about athletic recruits in berkeley. Then, let’s compromise and say the number of athletic recruits in berkeley and cornell are comparable? That’s not a problem.</p>
<p>misinformation is hardly new on cc. I may have said one or two things entirely wrong, but others were just points that were misinterpreted. I may be at fault too, but i admitted these errors or narrowed down these points.</p>
<p>Edit: My mistake, it actually is a little worse.
They do a little better overall though. All in all, they are comparable to whites in SAT scores. </p>
<p>This is getting really off “topic”</p>
<p>this data supports my original point: the sat has a strong cultural bias towards college educated white american parents, and thus enforces rigid social hierarchy. This system directly contradicts Cornell’s founding principles, which is what makes it unique from other Ivy League schools</p>
<p>College educated white american parents are taking the SAT? Blasphemy!</p>
<p>Regarding WillHeMakeIt’s hyperbole:
I agree with you that WillHe made naive assumptions about the adcoms of “other Ivies,” but he doesn’t embarrass Cornell – if he embarrasses anybody, which is debatable, it might be himself. Yes, he’s a bit hyperbolic in his support of Cornell, but he’s acting more in the role of a booster than an analyst. He, like many posters, often see the wide array of admissions factors as mutually exclusive, which they of course are not. At any rate, Cornell University would be oblivious to one or two little phrases in one small CC post or two.</p>
<p>uniqueness is good. but having too much of it is not good. I say cornell should stick with SATs until something better comes along. And no, it is not ACTs at least in my mind.</p>
<p>Cornell’s strengths as a school should be determined by the strength of its individual majors, which is what most people think about since the practical student would not take a course in like every single field. Specialization is key.</p>
<p>Cornell’s wide array of awesome programs is certainly a + to cornell. It is a very good reason for any student seeking a great undergrad experience to apply to cornell. </p>
<p>Like i said, after taking everything i can think of at the moment (Connections, endowments, reputation/prestige, strength of the program, opportunities offered at the school, etc) into consideration, princeton is the best undergrad ivy (though cornell is not far behind), and harvard is the best grad ivy. Cornell is in my mind is pretty much at the middle of the ivy pack in these areas. At least, in my opinion, and after seeing a lot of posts / rankings / getting an idea of my own after looking at statistics and listening to what others say. You have a right to challenge my opinion, but it is my opinion.</p>
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<p>Why is he embarrassing himself? All he’s saying is that you can learn about more subjects at a very high level of quality than any other school. If that’s most important to you, then Cornell is probably the best school for you. Some schools can match its breadth. Others can match or slightly exceed its quality in various subjects, but none have the overall consistency of breadth and quality.</p>
<p>OK. at what other Ivy can you take a class on Wines? shouldn’t that settle the argument?</p>
<p>^^^^^ The OP to this thread limited the topic to Ivies. Which school in your list above is one of those 8 schools?</p>
<p>^^^^^ Okay, since you apparently aren’t interested in answering the question – as to which schools in that list are members of the Ivy League – here’s the answer: none of them. So, they are technically out of the purview of the OP’s initial question, which was, “Is Cornell Secretly the Best Ivy?”</p>
<p>^^^^^ Ha! In your dreams “it follows!”… lol (very hard)! No other Ivy offers the depth and breadth of high caliber majors as Cornell. Period. And the non-Ivies in your list (save perhaps for Stanford) don’t match the consistent high caliber of Cornell either, though again, that is off topic.</p>
<p>you guys are absurd.</p>
<p>^^^^^ For the OP, and others, it is “secretly the best Ivy.” He, and others, have listed their reasons for their orientation, some of which you’ve refuted, some reasons you haven’t (and can’t). I wont rehash their arguments here, but I’ll add a few: if your an aspiring architect, then Cornell is the best Ivy; if you’re an aspiring engineer then Cornell is the best Ivy; if you’re an aspiring veterinarian then Cornell is the best Ivy; if you’re an aspiring resort administrator then Cornell is the best Ivy; and if you’re an academic dilettante (in the positive sense of the term) then Cornell is the best Ivy.</p>
<p>Over-and-out engineerbill, aka JohnAdams in a previous CC incarnation, lol.</p>
<p>Here is an informative link that discusses Cornell’s very strong standing in the most recent NRC survey:</p>
<p>[NRC</a> survey places Cornell research doctorate fields among top in U.S.](<a href=“Home | Cornell Chronicle”>Home | Cornell Chronicle)</p>
<p>Ha! Cornell’s undergrad engineering program ranks 8th in the most recent US&WR engineering rankings:</p>
<p>[Best</a> Undergraduate Engineering Programs Rankings](<a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate]Best”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate)</p>
<p>Where does Princeton rank for undergrad engineering?</p>
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<p>Now let’s look at the most recent USN&WR rankings for overall graduate engineering, which many consider to be the de facto top-dog of collegiate rankings. Cornell is ranked 10th, while Princeton is ranked 18th. Not even close.</p>
<p>[Best</a> Engineering Grad Schools](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings][b]Best”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings)</p>
<p>^^^^^ I thought you said that Cornell “wasn’t even close” for the NRC survey. Princeton has no Materials Science program, nor do they offer dedicated Biomed. Cornell is neck-and-neck in Aerospace Engineering, and they’re not far back in CS. And Cornell is way out in front in Operations Research, Systems and Industrial Engineering.</p>
<p>Once again, it is interesting that Princeton sits at 18th, well behind Cornell’s 10th, for graduate engineering in the most recent USN&WR rankings. Maybe it has something to do with operations research, and missing programs at Princeton.</p>
<p>hahahaa
this thread is so stupid.
If Cornell really was the best, you wouldn’t need to make this thread.
Cornell is one of the worst Ivys. Suck it up.</p>