Is Homosexuality genetic?

<p>Depends on what you mean by the Bible obviously.
Hieronymus' vulgata was compiled around 1500 years ago.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgate%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulgate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>But the texts reach far more into the past.</p>

<p>More on it on Wikipedia.*
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dating_the_Bible&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>*Note: not everything on wikipedia is professional content</p>

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yes. it is genetic.

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...which means that evolution may help overcoming it ;)</p>

<p>help in overcoming it, you make it sound like it's a disease. I'm sure not eveyone thinks it needs overcoming</p>

<p>what? war?</p>

<p>I love Bible thumpers who try to use Leveticus to say why homosexuality is wrong; yet, they're sitting there in polyester shirts [prohibited in Lev 19:19], with a shaven face [prohibited, Lev. 19:27] and with their hair cut [prohibited in Lev. 19:27].</p>

<p>And, we all know how great Evangelical Christians are to our illegal immigrant friends [Ex. 22:21, 23:9 prohibits mistreating a foreigner].</p>

<p>Also, Jews, the ones who made these laws, are very heavily represented in I-Banking and other financial services; however, collecting interest on a loan in a SIN [Ex. 22:24]. </p>

<p>So, until these things are fixed, I will continue trying to find a boyfriend!</p>

<p>do we have to read the bible for senior summer reading?</p>

<p>i love the post, runningcircles1!!!</p>

<p>"Rimbaud, Verlaine, and many other famous people from the 19th century. There are also other personalities, especially from the circle of literates, artists and philosophers."</p>

<p>I looked up Rimbaud and didn't find any indication that his intrinsic sexual preference has changed. Verlaine exhibited heterosexual behavior in his later life, but we don't really know if his intrinsic sexual preference changed. One can have sex with someone of the opposite sex, but doing so wouldn't change the fact that he or she is attracted to members of his or her own sex. Unless you have talked to these dead people, you have no way of proving that their intrinsic sexual preference changed. Perhaps they documented this change in letters/ diaries? Show me.</p>

<p>"I didn't assume this. I used the word "cultural" - following the continuity of my post - to define everything that mainly belongs to the pole of "Nurture". Hence the equation culture = society, influence, psychology, education, imagination, identity etc."</p>

<p>I didn't say that you assumed it. My interpretation of that particular quote takes into account its context; rather than posting the entire paragraph, I simply copied and pasted the main idea-- which you say is that homosexual "identity" is cultural.</p>

<p>"But when YOU control yourself and use what some people often call "free will" you are able to like, be attracted and find pleasure in whatever you decide to want (or, as it's commonly expressed with a negative connotation, "what you want to want")."</p>

<p>My personal experience negates yours. You claim you were able to change yours; I was not able to change mine. And I have the medical establishment on my side.</p>

<p>"I will tell you how to change "sexual orientation" step by step - and I will also tell you from which to which exactly, homo, hetero, and bi.
But I'm not sure whether I'm supposed to write it here on a public forum, since it might contain too explicit notions... What do the administrators say? Or shall I use P.M.?"</p>

<p>Send it via PM.</p>

<p>Jonathan K. reminds me of this middle schooler who approached me at the park (accompanied by his middle school friends). He asked why I was sitting in a cross-legged position and blatantly asked if I was gay simply because of that. Needless to say, I won the debate that ensued. And for the record, sitting cross-legged (in a quad position or with kneejoint/cap touching) is not feminine at all. The funny thing is that all but one truly believed that I was a rapist when I answered yes.</p>

<p>And alero reminds me of this guy who claims he was just going through a "gay phase" and that he's straight now. Hmm. He's either closeted or straight all along (and was simply experimenting).</p>

<p>*"He," in that last sentence, refers to this person I know, not alero. Sorry for the confusion.</p>

<p>Their diaries and other texts are more trustable sources about their life. I can't remember the exact sources but we did them in literature. If I find them in my old schoolbooks I'll cite the sources.
You may also have a look at Scapigliati, many of whom lived close to where I am. There were also so many philosophers who knew what relativity was.</p>

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which you say is that homosexual "identity" is cultural.

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Then I'll try replying to what you asked: I don't know! It can be, and it can be not!
Just as culture, psychology, identity, etc. are totally random events mixing inner and outer influence that may or may not follow a pattern, even homosexuality isn't necessarily predictable or has a specific "habitat". Certain "habitats" - presuppositions for the establishment of a specific and static intrinsic sexual preference - can be explained by different reference systems, different points of view:
I can explain the fact that one falls in love with Harry Potter books because he has long-spanning protection urges that are rooted in his infancy, or simply because everyone else hates Harry Potter and he hates the environment he lives in, etc. there are can be so many reference systems.</p>

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My personal experience negates yours. You claim you were able to change yours; I was not able to change mine. And I have the medical establishment on my side.

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Firstly, I understand and respect the fact that personal experience is important. Many of us judge and grow up empirically. But sometimes we tend to absolutize our personal experience.
If both our personal experiences were inserted in the frame of popular culture, you would win because of a) the belief that a "intrinsic sexual preference" can't be changed, b) the belief that "intrinsic sexual preferences" are conditions and not "phases".
And c) because of medicine.
Despite all the "advances" in the field of neurology and psychiatry, nothing and nobody can actually control your mind/brain better than... yourself.
The traditional medical approach tries to cure only the symptoms and not the cause.
You can take Ritalin for as much as your want to cure the symptoms of a depression, but the "chemical imbalance" won't stop coming until YOU solved the true cause of your ail. Until YOU are in peace/harmony with the problem that caused this.
I have heard of aversion therapy and many other strange techniques to "cure" homosexuality. None of these will ever change a person if it's not YOU who wants it, and until you abandon the idea that "homosexuality" is a condition, and until you stop listening to those who advocate the latter faith/theory.
Another fact is that biochemical symptoms are much easier to change than symptoms in your thought patterns.
The interaction of memory, present feelings plus the usual, damn, influence of the society around us, will often result in the feeling that we're not changing. We must grow beyond society and categorizations. And learn to think on our own.</p>

<p>As long as we believe in something, and there's no apparent physical counterargument to this belief, any belief can work or seem to work in real life.</p>

<p>Long time ago, people believed that the Earth was in the centre of the universe. Infact, everything seemed to revolve around... and above the Earth. And everyone believed life to be cyclical. Infact, there were 4 seasons every year which corresponded to the defeat of some weather God. At the end of each season, a virgin was sacrificed, to please the Gods.</p>

<p>In the Middle Ages, people believed that the Devil sent witches to Earth. They believed it in the same identical way people still believe that sexual orientation is absolute. That's why they burned thousands of "witches". The witches died really, which meant they were obviously sent to hell by God - (since otherwise the witches would have survived the fire).</p>

<p>My personal conclusion is: "Sexual orientation" is a belief, which is transformed into a physical act depending on the decisions of the individual. Not only decisions about how to act, but decisions about how to think, feel, and be.</p>

<p>Anyway, I'm a bit busy right now, but I will write to you via P.M. how I changed my sexual orientation - and how I think anyone else could change.</p>

<p>P.S. Have you heard of Luigi Pirandello?</p>

<p>I'm looking forward to your PM, alero. I hadn't heard of Luigi.</p>

<p>We had this debate in Ap biology class my junior year. Our teacher made us read this article afterwards:</p>

<p><a href="http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://allpsych.com/journal/homosexuality.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>It's long, but if you guys read it, you will have more evidence to support your arguments. It is actually quite interesting (especially the part about homosexual males having structurally different hypothalamus portions of the brain).</p>

<p>Hi Phellax, that was an interesting article!</p>

<p>I must add to the repertoire, however, that the article eludes the question what triggers and/or influences the different ways the anatomy of brain is structured?</p>

<p>Remaining in the sphere of the central nervous system, the article does not mention the study of neuroplasticity. Neuroplasticity determines the different "wirings" not only of neuronal patterns but also other elements in the CNS.
The degree of plasticity may vary on culture and environment, and as for today it is known that the highest degree of plasticity occurs during childhood and adolescence - which corresponds to the more visible phenomena, that of sexual orientation "being discovered" at the end of this developmental stage. But this is not a rule.</p>

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"neuroplasticity. This is basically the effect of one's environment on one's brain development; so, if someone's treated a particular way by society (perhaps as a result of looking or acting differently secondary to hormonal influences), our culture will treat them a certain way. They will have different experiences and behave differently which will actually cause their brain to develop in this or that way (the classic example being the fact that London cab-drivers have to accumulate a lot of topographical knowledge, and the related part of their brains is found to be enlarged as a result), which in turn will cause other behaviours, and so on"</p>

<p>As for hormones... "culture could easily modulate the effects of hormones so much that you could no longer trace its origins"</p>

<p>Once again, we have "mind over matter/brain".</p>

<p>More on this, directly related to sexual orientation:
<a href="http://www.msu.edu/%7Ebreedsm/interview.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.msu.edu/~breedsm/interview.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>In other words, scientists are unsure whether environment or the homosexual condition shaped the brain structures. That's why I didn't cite that particular study... it's inconclusive.</p>

<p>However, (for what it's worth) the study does prove that homosexuality is biological, making the conservatives' claim that homosexuality is a choice void and moot.</p>

<p>i<code>m thinking it</code>s not genetic.. but that`s just me.

because usually if you have a mommy & daddy.. and they have a child.. one of them is not gay.. but that`s just usually.. maybe , your mother or father is gay.. but decides to get married to the opposite gender.. </p>

<p>haha,
this is a weird topic</p>

<p>hah I found this and this topic came to mind im not sure if this has been posted but here...
<a href="http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/06/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.seedmagazine.com/news/2006/06/the_gay_animal_kingdom.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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However, (for what it's worth) the study does prove that homosexuality is biological, making the conservatives' claim that homosexuality is a choice void and moot.

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I am no conservative, but you are wrong big time. The studies don't prove anything yet.</p>

<p>...I don't understand that comment. The studies clearly show that homosexuality is physical and not a choice...
you don't wake up one morning and say: you know what, I think I'll start producing more testosterone... especially if, as these studies suggest, homosexuality is a result of the hormones to which you are exposed in the womb...</p>

<p>How many of you guys know these studies are true? What proof do you have? giving a link to a website isn't proof. These scientists could've lied. </p>

<p>I'm not saying they lie, but no one knows for sure.</p>