<p>Gomestar, you are my hero.</p>
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<p>High school. I’m guessing “ones” here is from NY, the generally tough disposition clues me in. And this type of banter tends to come from heavily Asian infused hallways, but unlikely private school. However, the delivery is too deliberate to be from Tech, so I’m guessing Stuy?</p>
<p>I do go to stuy…but this is what I hear from my school. Notice I’m just a senior in hs. Most of the kids in my school go to great schools so when they look down upon state colleges. Maybe they just have an ego and it influenced me. o-o</p>
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I knew it before you even set it as your location. And not to insult Stuy as it is a fantastic high school, but it is full of pretentious scabs. The information you have is wildly incorrect. I’m not a HS student or anything (my posts were all sarcasm), I’m an alum working in banking. I moved recently, but my office was about a block from Stuy. Cornell doesn’t have state schools, they are something much different but are all fully owned and operated by Cornell. Cornell calls them contract colleges. Furthermore, the statement that “public and private school kids don’t hang around” and the stated reasons why is absolutely and utterly stupid. I wish I could vocalize this more, but there are filters on there … but it’s seriously one of the dumbest things I have ever heard and is absolutely false. I hung out with arch students, got an apartment with an engineer, had a group of ILRie friends, and any and all in between. NOBODY ever thought of that garbage that you mentioned.
They do have terribly large egos there. Slightly ironic since it is, after all, a public high school. Tisk tisk…</p>
<p>“State schools are just sunys.”</p>
<p>There are so many things wrong with this statement that I won’t even bother to mention. As far as stating that students in the “endowed colleges” don’t hang out with students in the “contract colleges” because they think they are “stupid,” this couldn’t be further from the truth and shows that you know absolutely nothing about the student body at Cornell. Additionally, doubting the capabilities of the students in Human Ecology, Agriculture & Life Sciences and ILR is, in my opinion, laughable. After all, they attend undergraduate colleges that are at the top in their fields. So, at the end of the day, they have the last laugh.</p>
<p>If Stuy is the cream of the crop for the American high schoolers, I fear for the future of this country.</p>
<p>Really, I do.</p>
<p>It is not suprising that these attitudes are running around stuy, were they are looking at average scores, etc.
When you get here you will see the truth.</p>
<p>Which is: actually some of the smartest students at Cornell attend the contract colleges. This realization came to me early, when I got my butt kicked in freshman biology by half the students in the ag school. Some Aggies I knew became veterinarians and biology Phds. Several ILR students I knew are now partners at major wall Street law firms. These people were so smart that they figured out how to get a great education at state-subsidized reduced prices, yet still accomplish what they wanted to afterwards . A guy I know here’s kid is now in med school, from Hum Ec.</p>
<p>Socially, this has no basis at all, for people I knew anyway. My best friend there was an engineer who married a girl who attended the Human Ecology school. Even if there exists some Stuyvesant subset who think they are just so smart, maybe at some point they still might want to have a date, no? Anyway social relationships are mostly formed in the dorms, and who you wind up liking is usually a lot more complicated than which college they attend. My daughter has many friends there in the various colleges.</p>
<p>one of my arch friends dated an engineer who came out of Stuy. I was in ILR and I (will be) married to an architect. Another ILRie friend dated a textiles major, while another friend now in med school dated another ILRie. My roomate was an engineer who dated an ILRie (gee, wonder how they met).</p>
<p>Nobody worth your time cares about stupid stuff like school affiliation.</p>
<p>And on a separate note, does anybody else see the “dean college” banner at the top? Apparently, you can go to Dean college and transfer to Princeton.</p>
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<p>I feel like the person who runs up and gives one last boot to the midsection after the horse has clearly been relieved of its earthly duties. Nevertheless, a response is required:</p>
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<li><p>There are no “state schools” at Cornell. The entire university is private (though, as you will someday learn, even that distinction is irrelevant. Try telling a graduate of UMich, UNC, or Berkeley that you’re inherently smarter than they are and see how far you get with that. Funny that Stuy students make that an issue since they attend public school). </p></li>
<li><p>Some colleges are provided funding by New York State to support the interests of the state. Many elite private universities (including the ones that wet your kins’ panties) tried to have the same relationship but were not accepted. So, it’s a badge of honor for the university to be entrusted with providing research, educated students, and extension support throughout NY without any controlling power by NY. </p></li>
<li><p>The major contract colleges and endowed colleges at Cornell have the same admit rates: about 1/5. Certain programs in the contract colleges are far more difficult to enter and vice versa. The students, however, are certainly not “stupid” no matter how you slice your little piece of pie.</p></li>
<li><p>I will concede, however, that there is a slight sense of superiority from the Arts and Sciences students over the Agriculture and Life Sciences students. Social interaction and performance in joint classrooms always dispells that.</p></li>
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<p>I would just like to point out that I’m also a senior at Stuyvesant and everything that Ones says and implies about Stuy kids doesn’t contain an inkling of truth (btw I’m heading to ILR in the fall). The majority of kids that I know at Stuy are going to the SUNYs or Macaulay honors at CUNY. And many are going simply because they can’t afford schools like Carnegie Mellon or NYU or whatever other 50k per year schools they applied to. I for one applied to ILR because I love history and labor economics and the program was exactly what I was looking for, not because I thought it was somehow “easier” to get into than Arts and Sciences or Engineering. The fact that it was reduced tuition for New Yorkers was also a huge draw since I can’t exactly afford 50k per year either and I’m not eligible for financial aid. The contract schools are all about fit and it’s painfully obvious to adcoms if an applicant is trying to cheat the admissions process. Also, like a few posters already said, the contract schools are not a part of the SUNY system. They are just as “Cornell” as the endowed schools. Quite a few Stuy kids are going to contract schools at Cornell, especially Human Ecology, and no one that I spoke with ever looked down on kids that were going to schools other than HYP. But then again, maybe I just don’t hang out with insecure snobs who feel the need to put down people who are going to “inferior” schools (can’t fathom why they would). Also, to all posters, please don’t form an opinion of stuy kids based on the presumptious comments of one immature elitist. The high majority of us are not like that.</p>
<p>state schools are easy to get into. Cornell is very hard to get into. “easiest ivy” is like saying “tiger woods’ ugliest mistress.” she’s still very hot and cornell is still VERY difficult to get into.</p>
<p>There tends to be a trend of on this site of “labeling” certain posters if they don’t unequivocally pledge allegiance to everything Cornell. Congrats on your acceptance to Cornell - continue to have an open mind and continue to question any situation/circumstance that may not seem right.</p>
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??? We were fixing a big gap of incorrect information that was very obviously skewing an opinion in the wrong direction. Opinions are fine, but certainly you see the problem when opinions are based off of incorrect information.
This is what the “pro-Cornell” posters here were doing. Fixing the situation of misinformation.</p>
<p>Gomestar – You weren’t around in the immediate post-suicide period, when some posters, MrsOwl included, were convinced that Cornell was responsible for the student deaths despite having best-in-country psychological services and that the University graduates thousands of happy alumni yearly.</p>
<p>MrsOwl–being the Cornell thread, it is followed mostly by current students, alumni, parents of current students and prospective students. When someone, especially from the last group, writes something that is patently wrong, it is up to members of the other groups to correct him/her. It is not a pledge of allegiance or even a difference of opinion. It is just a correction of wrong information.</p>
<p>hmm, I did miss that period. I just remember Cad’s very funny posts.</p>
<p>Yes, I did comment when the tragic situation of multiple suicides occurred. At that time, there was a debate over statistics vs. what may be a pervasive problem on campus. Read today’s Cornell Daily sun [Power</a>, Abuse and Advice | The Cornell Daily Sun](<a href=“http://cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2010/04/09/power-abuse-and-advice]Power”>http://cornellsun.com/section/opinion/content/2010/04/09/power-abuse-and-advice) - This is the essence of what I was referring to and why I said that faculty may not be as supportive of students.</p>
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<p>This is an op-ed piece about graduate students. </p>
<p>Do you really think that the graduate student-professorial relationship is any different at Cornell than at any other major research university? I have heard horror stories from graduate students at Harvard, Berkeley, MIT, Wisconsin, Princeton, and the like, and yes Cornell. The entire method of graduate education and training needs to be rethought – obviously training 1000s of PhDs in the humanities every year, when there might only be 100 or so tenure-track job openings, isn’t exactly the best practice for anybody in academia, Cornell included.</p>
<p>the column two stories down from that one is much more interesting, but that’s just my humble opinion. Constant vigilance.</p>
<p>I don’t think that was what OP was referring to, though I can see how you may have misinterpreted.</p>