<p>I recently applied to rutgers (NJ).
I was wondering if id be able to get instate tuition since I was born in NJ, lived there till the age of 8, my dad has owned a business there since I was born, my grandma lives there. Any hope?</p>
<p>If not would it be possible to gain in state status after one year with my grandmother or something?</p>
<p>None. You are not a resident of NJ. You are a resident of the state you are graduating high school from</p>
<p>Residency is based on where you reside with your parents NOW, not on previous time in another state or the residency of your grandparents.</p>
<p>And no living with your grandmother won’t work either. 99.99% of schools specifically state that you maintain your Freshman residency status the whole time you are there. </p>
<p>There is NO incentive for a state to let you pay resident tuition. States want all the full pay OOS students they can get. In state tuition is for families that live in the state and pay taxes there.</p>
<p>If one of your parents doesn’t live in NJ, I agree with the above. If your dad is still a NJ resident, suggest you contact the Residency officer at Rutgers and find out what you’d need to do to establish residencey. You might have to live with your instate parent (if you have one) for 12 months prior to enrollment:</p>
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<p><a href=“http://nbregistrar.rutgers.edu/forms/ResidencyPolicy.pdf[/url]”>http://nbregistrar.rutgers.edu/forms/ResidencyPolicy.pdf</a></p>
<p>According to the OP the Dad only owns a business in NJ. That won’t work. If he is living in another state then he is a resident of that state.</p>
<p>There is a list of conditions in the pdf you posted that the OP needs to read as well. Simply moving in with Grandma won’t do it. And he/she would need to take a gap year.</p>
<p>After talking with my day, he says that he pays his taxes to new jersey not new york (where we live). According to a Rutgers representative this makes a difference. Right?</p>
<p>Because he works in New Jersey your dad is likely required to file a return in New Jersey and pay taxes there…but that does NOT make YOU a resident of New Jersey.</p>
<p>My husband worked in Massachusetts…he had to file a MA tax return every year he was employed there and YES he paid taxes to the state of MA. HOWEVER, we were NOT residents of MA, we LIVED in CT.</p>
<p>You live in NY state, not in NJ. Just because your dad has to pay taxes to NJ because he works there and has a business there, does NOT give you instate residency status. Your state of residency is where you actually LIVE.</p>
<p>Yairnazz, I think you KNOW you are a resident of NY state and are hoping for some “loophole” (dad’s business, previous residency in the state, grandma’s residency in the state) will gain you instate status in NJ. NONE of those things will give you instate status…NONE. You do not reside in NJ, and neither of your parents resides in NJ.</p>
<p>^^^^^^^</p>
<p>Exactly right. You are not a NJ resident.</p>
<p>Although I usually don’t have much sympathy for the people who come on CC and try to find a loophole to get residency in a state where they don’t live… I do have more sympathy for families who pay all or the bulk of their state taxes to a state other than the one in which they live. The point of giving a discount to state residents is more or less that their taxes fund the school, so they get a discount. Of course what I think doesn’t change the rules.</p>
<p>This is really, really important: never, ever, ever “fib” about residency. This OP will be tempted (or Dad may be tempted) to use a family or business address to claim residency. </p>
<p>I can not begin to tell you how easy it is to “bust” the fibbers. For starters, the high school transcript has the zip code where the student attended. Letters of recommendation, coaching reports, and local scholarship checks will all reflect the student’s hometown. </p>
<p>Thousands of dollars are at stake. I assure you that the Admissions office has some checks in place that are routine. If they are lucky, the “fibbers” get a nice letter saying “We see you marked “resident” but we are moving you over to the “nonresident” category.” If the fibber is not so lucky, the college may boot the student on an honor violation – or hold the diploma until back tuition is paid. </p>
<p>Personally, I don’t have so much sympathy for someone who resides on one side of the line and pays taxes on the other side of the line. Usually they do so for some other benefit (nicer school district, easier professional licensing, cheaper housing or other goody), and one gets the benefits of the state where one resides. </p>
<p>OP clearly has lots of in-state choices. Choosing Rutgers is a luxury – and student and family will have to decide if that is a luxury they can and want to pursue. That said, I do know that schools will sometimes “waive” tuition requirements for a student they really want --so, OP, ask Rutgers if that benefit is available to you! Perhaps they want you as bad as you want them! Good luck!</p>
<p>I agree with Olymom, don’t get your hopes up but continue to be truthful and follow the guidance of the Residency officer at Rutgers. Although we can read the residency requirements that they post, I know of several exceptions that were made by other institutions due to extenuating circumstances such as the OP has. There are sometimes little-known statutes/policies that apply and are not evident in the stated requirements. IMO, it’s worth pursuing since the worst they can do is say no. Please let us know how you make out, okay?</p>
<p>It is so interesting to see an out of state student hoping to attend Rutgers and trying to figure out how to make it happen.</p>
<p>We do live in NJ (DS obtained undergrad at Rutgers). MOST students in our area consider our public schools as back ups/safeties…and want to go almost anywhere else.
I guess its the ‘grass is always greener’ syndrome.</p>
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<p>that’s a bit snarky. as adults, we shouldn’t be encouraging this kind of snobbery in our kids. I see it in many places – niece from Baltimore full of snark about UMD/CP, but very happy to be attending U of Miami (a very nice school, but not in any significant overall way a better place than UMD). Kid from around here overjoyed to be at UConn; wouldn’t even consider U of F. Friend’s kid from Mass. who is ecstatic to be at USF, wouldn’t even consider UMass Amherst. </p>
<p>It’s every family’s right to decide whether an out-of-state State school is worth the extra
money for a particular student. Maybe we should help broaden our kids’ minds to the concept that the local State Flagship they mock as a back-up/safety can be a dream school for someone 1000 miles away. The mockery usually has a class basis, right? so let’s try to raise them right, with some sensitivity to others.</p>
<p>As for getting in-state tuition in the case of the OP – read the rules (usually on the University’s website) carefully, collect documentation to help make your case, and go argue your case to the school’s office for in-state tuition verification (whatever it’s called). Do not lie, but do not assume that you know what their definition of ‘in-state resident’ is without checking. This is not a moral issue. Every state university has rules for this, and how they make the rules/interpret them is their business - just work with them and see what they say.</p>
<p>But to the OP…if you live in New York, and your family LIVES in NY, and you attend a public high school in NY…you are a resident of NEW YORK…where, by the way, there are a number of fine SUNY schools you could be applying to at instate rates.</p>
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<p>I agree with you. </p>
<p>I am perplexed as to WHY many students seem to dismiss their instate flagship as unworthy. I see that it is not specific to NJ.</p>
<p>Our family does not share this view and does not promote it. Our son received a terrific education at our instate U, Rutgers. I was simply reporting on our observations from other students in our area.</p>
<p>*After talking with my day, he says that he pays his taxes to new jersey not new york (where we live). *</p>
<p>I’ve never lived in one state while working in another so I didn’t know it worked that way. So, if you live in NY and work (or own a business) in another state, you don’t pay NY income taxes…you file the other state’s income tax form??? Of course, you’d still have to pay property taxes. </p>
<p>So, if you work in Texas, but live in a bordering state, then you pay no state income taxes cuz Texas doesn’t have a state tax???</p>
<p>But I agree with the above, you’re a resident of state that you LIVE in. That’s your state of residency…where you get your drivers license, where you vote, etc.</p>
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<p>I’m been in this situation a couple times and in both cases I was able to deduct the taxes paid to my work state from the taxes due in my state of residence … so if the taxes were higher in the work state than they would be in my home state then I would not have owed any in my home state. (These were different states than the OPs situation … and I can’t imagine it has anything to so with being an in-state or OOS student)</p>
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<p>I am not a tax expert but have dealt with this two state thing a number of times.</p>
<p>We reside in CT. DH worked in MA. We filed our federal income taxes using our CT address (I’m not sure that really matters). We filed CT state income taxes as residents AND we filed MA taxes as NON-residents…this was REQUIRED…not an option to only have done one of the states. Not at all.</p>
<p>DD worked in CA and earned over the limit. Filed in CT as a resident…CA as a non-resident.</p>
<p>DS worked in NC and earned over the limit. Filed in CT as a resident and NC as a non-resident.</p>
<p>If this family was residents of NY state, I believe they SHOULD have been filing a NY state tax return as a resident…and a NJ return as a non-resident. </p>
<p>Hopefully someone with tax knowledge will chime in.</p>
<p>STILL…doesn’t matter WHERE they filed their tax returns with regard to residency…the family LIVES in NEW YORK and that state is where they would have instate residency status, not New Jersey. Owning a business or having grandparents in a state does not make you a resident of that state. LIVING in that state makes you a resident of that state.</p>
<p>There were a few years in which I worked in one state and lived in another, or worked in two states (once AL and GA in one year, and once NY and GA in one year) and yes, you do have to file tax returns in both states. You file in one as a non-resident and you file in the other as a resident - or if you moved, you indicate that you were a part-year resident of one state and a part-year resident of another. They tax you accordingly. If you are using a tax preparer or an online program it’s quite simple.</p>
<p>However, it doesn’t change your residency. It can be one of the pieces of evidence towards your residency, but most likely your dad is filing taxes in NJ as a non-resident.</p>