Is Penn in the east like Stanford in the West

<p>prestigious internship. last year, my friend with the same internship and who was captain of the baseball team was rejected from Stanford. This year Stanford SCEA admissions for my school went from 3 admits to 0. I may like Stanford more, but Penn is an incredibly close second, and I would rather go to Penn than to neither.</p>

<p>Ugh. Ok, the people who don't know what Penn CAS is tend to be the bus driver, the run of the mill high school teacher, the woman at the grocery store. Talk to anyone with half a brain and they know this effing school. Def890 your posts are unecessarily brutal. Are you actually trying to say that Brown or Cornell is better than Penn?? Just because they are more well known?? As far as recognition/rankings are concerned I think I already cleared it up that Penn is the fourth ivy on that list after HYP. Plus it has the best locale/campus combo, plus you don't get all the stuck up pricks who pick the school by how much dropping the name will impress everyone. Yes, I get my fair share of "Oh penn state! That's great" But I suck it up because I'm going to a fantastic school, ranked AHEAD of Columbia for crying out loud (which can't be just because it has Wharton. And even so, it's called the ONE UNIVERISTY CONCEPT: All CAS students have access to Wharton!!)-- and when I talk to someone fairly more worldly they always know Penn. Like honestly, what are you trying to even do by discrediting CAS? You're fighting a losing battle. Look at the ED thread and there are kids with 2300+ getting flat out rejected. Whatever. You for some reason hate Penn. Don't come here?? Don't flatter yourself to think the school will be missing out.</p>

<p>Ultimately in the end though, alllll these schools are ****ing fantastic. We're a bunch of type A's trying to assert ourselves in the college hierarchy and it's pointless, as --unless we find way to really screw up-- everyone of us at these top 10 schools is in the prime position to have a great life/future/etc. Let's give it a rest.</p>

<p>Columbia College > Penn CAS. I will admit that. Penn CAS is amazing, and classes at Wharton will prepare us better for jobs. However, the core at CC is really good and creates a sense of unity among students. Penn econ is better than Columbia econ, and social aspects of Penn make it better than Columbia for lots of people.</p>

<p>Seriously...the Columbia kids should all just go hold a protest or something and leave us alone</p>

<p>The Columbia forum sucks, so they try to act cool and hang with us Penn kids.</p>

<p>venkater, you disappoint me =( already planning a transfer?? im thinking of grad school at penn!</p>

<p>Lol guys- well I wasn't involved on this forum but I'm glad to see a Penn-Columbia rivalry starting =). Honestly tho, I was looking more for a friendly rivalry... but Jennyjane, I do not think you can seriously think that PennCAS> Columbia College. I'd say Penn CAS and Columbia are roughly equal with CC being more prestigious- however, I'll admit prestige alone does not neccessarily indicate anything. </p>

<p>But as I said before... 10 years ago Penn was no doubt the LOWEST IVY (ranked 16). It was in the position Cornell is in today- the "safety ivy". Then Penn started playing the early admissions game (quite cleverly I might add) and manged to piggy back off Wharton up through the rankings to your credit. Penn undoubtedly is either the 4th or 5th best Ivy depending on who you ask (between Columbia and Penn) and there is NO CLEAR ANSWER. But I think it's fair to consider that Columbia has consistently been top 10 while Penn has only recently shot through the rankings- and there's predictions that Columbia will slowly ascend as Penn descends. </p>

<p>But even with all that said- Columbia and Penn are BOTH AWESOME AMAZING GODLY schools. It's petty to argue about such minute details- how do you judge a school? It's the intangibles. As long as you love where you are going, then it's irrelevant what USWNR says. And you're all quite right- I doubt anyone on wall street seriously distinguishes between Penn CAS and Columbia College. Chillax people, and enjoy our acceptances!</p>

<p>yeah i COMPLETELY agree with truazn, although i would add that penn is a slightly better school than columbia</p>

<p>

As if that were even true dude...Penn is a FREAKING AMAZING school lol.:) I personally like Yale better because of its residential system/prestige/campus beauty/etc but I still think Penn is incredible. I was considering applying Wharton ED at one point but I didn't want to limit my options and I wasn't sure whether my parents could afford it. So, stop convoluting my words!!!</p>

<p>Although Penn has its cons when compared to HYPM(ok maybe not Stanford lol), I willingly admit that most of the coolest, laid-back, and good-looking Indians/Asians I know go to Penn, out of all the selective schools, with a few exceptions.;)</p>

<p>Penn CAS is definitely not more prestigious than Columbia College... wharton is though.</p>

<p>It is clear that people in this forum have far too much time on their hands...Comparisons of the two colleges are more or less irrelevant...The fact that there is such a close debate about which is better clearly implies that it is mostly a toss-up based on each individual opinion. In this case, I believe people should keep their opinions to themselves as it is exceedingly unlikely that any one person knows all the facets of each college and can compare them as a whole. That would require a complete and wide breadth of knowledge that probably can not be attained by anyone and therefore can not be measured very accurately. Both Penn and Columbia are more or less top five schools (nationally and within the Ivy League). One should keep in mind that even distinctions being drawn between Penn/Columbia and "HYPSM" are probably uninformed and can not be accurate. The final point is that if you got into an Ivy League school, you should be on top of the world right now and not descending back into the fray to argue petty distinctions. In all honesty, I regard all of the schools within the top 10 or so of the rankings as more or less equal, with name recognition being the usual deciding factor in numerical hierarchy. I was accepted early to the College at Penn by the way and am overjoyed and ecstatic.</p>

<p>I'm not considering transfering, and doubt I will. I like Stanford about as much as I like Penn, but there are too many other factors that make Penn my #1 choice for college, and why I applied ED instead of RD.</p>

<p>Who cares which one is better, and i doubt we can tell in an objective way. If you look at the rankings methods their ridiculous (25% of the ranking is prestige). The truth is that college is what you make of it. A 2.2 at yale is not better than a 3.5 at penn (whatever school you choose at penn), and i bet you have to try as hard at penn and yale or stanford to get above a 3.0. The whole point of college is learning and whatever place helps one learn the best in every aspect of life is the best school, and i know that there is not an individual school that does that for everybody.</p>

<p>Duke = Stanford of the east.</p>

<p>Duke = powerhouse athletics and academics just like stanford.</p>

<p>Don't believe me, check out the Fiske guide to colleges in its description of stanford</p>

<p>"One should keep in mind that even distinctions being drawn between Penn/Columbia and "HYPSM" are probably uninformed and can not be accurate."</p>

<p>Look at the data and you'll find a noticeable difference. Reliable indicators would include SAT ranges, acceptance rates, RD matriculation rates, and graduate school placement. </p>

<p>"Don't believe me, check out the Fiske guide to colleges in its description of stanford"
Fiske is hardly reliable.</p>

<p>Why are you thinking Penn has social aspects? Sure they are the party Ivy, but I have heard that the kids there are very stuck up, esp. in Wharton.</p>

<p>There will be stuck up people everywhere you go. But I think Penn has comparatively few.</p>

<p>dulce that's probably because you got deferred....
I think it sucks that we are fighting about which school is better HPYS or Penn. I think the kids from the other forums are here to boast their egos. Yes, your school is great and you are better than us. Now, we admitted it. Please go away!</p>

<p>hey im all for peace and harmony especially during the holiday season but sristi does not speak for the collective Penn consciousness in conceding any sort of superiority to the other Ivies/ other great institution. That said, this is the PENN forum and therefore insurgents from other college forums should be respectful of Penn's sovereignty within this forum and therefore refrain from pronouncing their own school's superiority especially not backed up by facts. Each college experience is one's own and needs to be evaluated by the individual. Obviously, since this is December (Christmas) the people on these forums are people who have been accepted to their respective schools and therefore must have considered that school their first choice. Thus, in that individual's judgment, their school is the best or else they would not have committed themselves this early. People who come in from other forums (having been accepted or not) and try to preach that their school is better do not add anything to the conversation nor will they find any converts among early matriculants and thus their sole purpose must either be to cause general strife and discord or else just to have a good argument. As to the latter, one may argue with whom he will. However, assuming that noone on this forum has gone to both schools on each side of the argument, an accurate comparison cannot and should not be made. As to the former assertion, it being Christmas I must thoroughly condemn any attempts to spread said strife and discord on principle as well as propagating doubts among early matriculants to Penn who are already locked in to their school.
Let us observe the holiday season and cease the meaningless unsubstantiated banter until there is a general outcry for some.</p>

<p>

Translation: I use my thesaurus to look up big words to use on the interent in order to make myself look smart and cover up my insecurities like how I will most probably never get laid.</p>