<p>Bthomp and soccergurl. I get your point about Kelley IUPUI not publishing separate statistics for hiring and placement. Why would they? They are the same same school, only in 2 locations. It would not be efficient. Throwing in the likes of Earlham and Evansville and trying to make Kelley Indianapolis their equivalent is downright misleading.</p>
<p>The Kelley School at IUPUI is just a different campus of the same school. The only Kelley School of Business in the Country. To your point, I am getting a little tired of going through this too. Every time I visit the school I meet kids with Internships, offers and contacts from all of the people you throw out there. The primary difference is that they are working with folks in Indianapolis and not Dallas or Chicago. After all if you look at the addresses of the hiring event that I linked for you, they are blocks away. If you are coming to Bloomington you have to be coming from somewhere else. Their is nothing else there but academics. Remember, I went their too.</p>
<p>PLEASE tell me why the School is presented in this way. Listed and presented as the same. Only in 2 locations. The MBA Programs are some of the best in country. And they do take place in Indy. But I wont make broad and incorrect statements that the IUB programs are inferior. They both are superior. The “Business of Medicine” program at IUPUI is world renown. You want to talk about International and OOS students? Lets go there. And soccergurl, these folks could be high achievers, just saying. AND they are Kelley Programs!!!</p>
<p>Every response I get from either of you assumes IUB superiority and difference. That is just not what the reality is.</p>
<p>It’s true that OOS students and International students are not vying for Kelley Indianapolis because people don’t know about it. It could be because of folks that dissuade them. I am attempting to spread the truth. Too bad people don’t know.</p>
<p>Again, here is how the Kelley school identifies itself. I will expect some meaningless statistic to dispute this.</p>
<p>Indiana University
Indiana University Purdue University Indianapolis</p>
<p>To broaden perspectives about the most demanding and high achieving students out there. The “Business of Medicine” is for currently practicing physicians and is a Kelley Indianapolis Program. One of the many programs that are provided by the Kelley School of Business.</p>
<p>The Kelley School of Business is located on two campuses. Bloomington and Indianapolis Indiana.</p>
<p>Just realized this. In a previous post soccergurl discusses the point that the top 5 Accounting firms wouldn’t be caught dead at Kellley Indianapolis (absolutely false) because only IUB Kelley merits their presence on campus. (again delusional).</p>
<p>Then Btomp shows how they recruit everywhere because turnover is so high. Just curious, which is it?</p>
<p>Still no rebuttal about how the Kelley school positions itself. As ONE SCHOOL! It really hard to ague with the facts. I do wonder why this bothers you guys and (others) so? </p>
<p>Whats best for the school is to promote all of the programs because of their quality, grow the demand of the Indianapolis campus, watch the overall rankings and entrance criteria rise and reap the benefits accordingly.</p>
<p>There is this playground mentality in Bloomington. Where they are the only real Business School and you are separate and certainly not equal. It’s kinda interesting that now when people go visit there they can actually feel this in their gut. Just don’t bother me with facts. Those that live far away and it’s hard to visit both or don’t spend huge effort fact checking the naysayers end up there. Or it could be the luxury living at McNutt. Again too bad.</p>
<p>“Just realized this. In a previous post soccergurl discusses the point that the top 5 Accounting firms wouldn’t be caught dead at Kellley Indianapolis (absolutely false) because only IUB Kelley merits their presence on campus. (again delusional).”</p>
<p>Goodkidsdad, go back and read posts #54 and #58. Your paraphrase is not even remotely close to what soccergurl said. And you are calling her delusional?</p>
<p>“Just realized this. In a previous post soccergurl discusses the point that the top 5 Accounting firms wouldn’t be caught dead at Kellley Indianapolis (absolutely false) because only IUB Kelley merits their presence on campus. (again delusional).”</p>
<p>Goodkidsdad, go back and read posts #54 and #58. Your paraphrase of her posts is not even remotely close to what soccergurl said. </p>
<p>Bthomp: You have a point. Here is what she said.</p>
<p>" Quite frankly, most Indiana students don’t want to stay in Indiana. I didn’t, and I got a job straight out of college with a top 5 consulting firm. That firm provides a list of schools they recruit at–and IUPUI isn’t one of them.</p>
<p>IUPUI may be a great fit and a great financial option for your child, but most high achieving students strive for far more than IUPUI. "</p>
<p>Then goes on to stay: “I’m not saying IUPUI isn’t a great school for some kids. But top 5 or 10 or 20 firms want top 5 or 10 or 20 students–and that is why they recruit at places like IUB, Michigan, UNC, or UVA.”</p>
<p>I think the part about “high achieving” was inaccurate. In fact both comments were inaccurate. Implying that there is not appropriate talent at Kelley Indianapolis is just misleading.</p>
<p>It is misleading because the kids at Kelley Indianpolis are getting the same education she got. Top 10 education, just like IUB.</p>
<p>“It is misleading because the kids at Kelley Indianpolis are getting the same education she got. Top 10 education, just like IUB.” </p>
<p>IUPUI Kelley has a long way to go to reach the same education as IUB Kelley. IUPUI Kelley did just this year begin offering one honors section each to their versions of K201, A201, and A202. Someday they may even add IUB Kelley Icore pre-reqs X202 and C104 to their curriculum.</p>
<p>Maybe some day IUB Kelley will offer Honors X103 Road-trip and Honors X 105 taught by one of the top entrepreneurs in the Midwest. All offers to top freshman scholars.</p>
<p>IUB has a long way to go to get up IUPUI Kelley.</p>
<p>IUPUI is the only program that begins grooming their top talent in the first year. A remarkable advantage over IUB. The same 24 talented kids go through Honors programs through out their career. Close knit, challenged and talented!</p>
<p>Here are the Honors courses at IUPUI. Core group of kids start day one as friends. Challenging each other. Growing together. The x 103 goes to top companies in the Indianapolis area to learn from those In business. X 105 is lead by One the top venture capitalist in the country. Leaves for New York exchange in about 3 weeks to meet folks where stuff actually happens.</p>
<p>IUB Kelley has a lot of catching up to do to prepare their talented freshmen compared to Indianapolis Kelley.</p>
<p>BUS-X 100 BUS ADMINISTRATION: INTRO
BUS-X 103 LEARNING COMMUNITIES
BUS-X 105 BUS ADMIN INTRODUCTION: HONORS
BUS-X 203 COMMUNITY SERVICE LEARNING
BUS-X 204 BUSINESS COMMUNICATIONS
BUS-X 293 HONORS SEMINAR IN BUSINESS
BUS-X 300 CAREER PLNG FOR NON-BUS MAJORS
BUS-X 320 BUS CAREER PLANNING/PLACEMENT
BUS-X 390 INTEGRATIVE EXPERIENCE
BUS-X 393 HONORS WRITING EXPERIENCE
BUS-X 480 PROFESSIONAL PRACTICE ABROAD
BUS-X 490 INDEPENDENT STUDY IN BUSINESS
BUS-X 493 HONORS SEMINAR IN BUSINESS
BUS-X 511 SEMINAR IN MGMT ISSUES: –
BUS-X 519 BUSINESS OF LIFE SCI: VALUE CH
BUS-X 523 ENTERPRISE EXPERIENCE 1
BUS-X 524 ENTERPRISE EXPERIENCE 2
BUS-X 577 STRATEGIC CLIENT PROJ PRACT</p>
<p>I have read this thread with great interest. I do have a question about IUPUI Kelley that I hope can be answered. IUPUI Kelley honors sounds great but how is it for the rest of the Kelley students? It sounds like from the above response they put much of their efforts into the top 24.</p>
<p>Remember that rankings are based on cirrculum , content and preparedness as seen by other academics. All of those things apply to to both campuses. It’s true they have Bloomington as the location in some of the rankings, but the cirrculum, content and preparedness are the same with the exception of some pre-Icore classes. IUB does some excellent case work activities, while Indianapolis actually goes to businesses and examines aspects of Accounting, Finance etc. Both have merits.</p>
<p>Additionally of you look deeper many of the other Programs offered by Kelley the rankings refer to the Indianapolis campus. Especially some of the MBA programs. Which certainly doesn’t mean that they IUB campus is lacking in their MBA programs.</p>
<p>This is how the School positions itself (because they can). One School. Two locations.</p>
<p>As for the x105 and x103 classes. They are open to ALL direct admit students if your advisor recommends you. The Honors kids just get first dibs as freshmen. As a direct admit to Kelley (not Honors) you are automatically assigned a Kelley advisor, get preferred status when you apply to the KLLC (Living Community) and able to pledge the business fraternity. Best of all you become a pretty elite member of the Kelley family immediately.</p>
<p>The Honors program (the 24) are the ones that earned entrance scholarships and must meet certain criteria to keep it. They HAVE to take a certain number of Honors classes or they lose their scholarship. At IUPUI the scholarships come the the Honors college and NOT the university proper.</p>
<p>Goodkidsdad, you posted a list of eighteen classes that you say are IUPUI Kelley Honors as evidence that IUB Kelley has “a lot of catching up to do.” Only seven of the ones you listed are offered in 2014-2015. I doubt any of these seven even has an honors version. Your saying they are honors classes does not make them honors classes. Five of the classes you listed are are in the MBA program and are offered to students with very specific graduate majors and require taking other graduate classes in the same modules concurrently. I guess facts do not matter.</p>
<p>This thread is highlighting many of the differences between the ugrad programs at IUB Kelley and IUPUI Kelley. BTW, what does the “Business of Medicine” program at IUPUI have to do with Kelley ugrad? Four years of ugrad, four years of med school, two years of the Business of Medicine. I don’t think many hs seniors are contemplating ten years worth of formal education before they start their careers.</p>
<p>10 Freshman are accepted in this program in a school that has over 1200+ Direct Admits to Kelley? And countless Standard admits with a 3.5-3.6 GPA in high school HOPING to get in. Yep, you are correct, it is definitely highlighting the differences between the campuses.</p>
<p>Are these 10 people going to visit top people in the Industry every week? It’s kinda ironic that one (1 of 7) of the road-trips is to Bloomington tomorrow to visit with one guy from Evansville, not from Bloomington (shocking) . But on top of that the Kelley Indianapolis kids meet with another CFO (from Indy) as well that day. A full report is due for both on Tuesday.</p>
<p>The fact is that the freshmen are being groomed at Indianapolis. It’s actually a shame that the kids from the Bloomington campus have to deal with this. They are either the top .8% or they wait for Honors. </p>
<p>So, I’m Sorry I missed the part where the .8% of freshman are being groomed in Bloomington. My Bad!</p>
<p>IUPUI Kelley honors accepts automatically accepts freshman with a 1250 SAT and 3.75 gpa. You need 1350 SAT and 3.8 gpa to even apply to IUB Kelley Honors. </p>
<p>The wonder is that IUPUI Kelley can only recruit 24 freshman to the business honors, given how easy it is to qualify as a freshman. </p>
<p>Eventually, each IUB Kelley honors class will be 150 students. The remaining 140 that are not Kelley Scholars will be working freshman year to get their gpa’s over 3.8 and striving for leadership positions in fraternities, business clubs, student government, and lining up summer internships. These 140 will show far more creativity and determination during freshman year that the 24 IUPUI Kelley honors students that were in high school the year before and needed only 1250 SAT/3.75 to get their automatic admission. A high school student could obtain those numbers without ever leaving their parents’ house except to go to school.</p>
<p>Also, 1200+ direct admits is another made up number. IUB Kelley probably has at least 300-400 standard admits every year out of about 1200 students total in each class.</p>
<p>Bthomp: The link you posted was for some Scholars Program that talked about 10 students. The program sounded much like the Honors program at Indianapolis. 10 students at IUB …otherwise they have to wait and apply. Again the reason why Indianapolis Honors is automatic is they are the issuers of the admission scholarships.</p>
<p>You said: “Also, 1200+ direct admits is another made up number. IUB Kelley probably has at least 300-400 standard admits every year out of about 1200 students total in each class.”</p>
<p>I will make sure and adjust the Powerpoint presentation that we received when my kid was being recruited about the 1200 students. The recruiting class at IUB was a record Direct Admits at 1200 in 2013. Who knows what it is now? It’s better to go with your number because you know the 800-900 students that you are guessing about are getting personal attention and really get to know their professors. Whether it’s 800 or 1200 you are one of the masses. </p>
<p>10 are groomed from day one at IUB. </p>
<p>Your comments about recruitment at Indianapolis have some validity. It is a shame that these kids are compelled to go IUB and not at least look at Indianapolis. </p>
<p>Bthomp: I took the time to cross reference your email about the Honors classes listing . IUB has a couple more. But for all intents and purposes…AGAIN THE SAME!!</p>
<p>Oh…1200 Direct admits at IUB versus 120 direct admits at Indianapolis.</p>
<p>10 at IUB are being groomed. While 24 are in the fast lane at Indianapolis.</p>
<p>I am no Math major (BS Marketing IUB) but I think those ratios are different.</p>