<p>Yes, it is a school filled with a more wealthy population; however, to generalize the students in such a manner is asinine in it’s attempt. There are many great people here, some who may come from a wealthy background, that are very down to earth and “chill” so much to the extent that one wouldn’t even realize their riches. </p>
<p>I understand that Mr. Anonymous was only trying to ■■■■■, but for the most part people should pay no mind to such ignorant rants.</p>
<p>FWIW, as of last year, we’re in the top ten nationwide of national universities with an increase in Pell Grant recipients:
[Do</a> Top Colleges Enroll Enough Pell Grant Students? - Morse Code: Inside the College Rankings (usnews.com)](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2008/2/22/do-top-colleges-enroll-enough-pell-grant-students.html]Do”>http://www.usnews.com/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2008/2/22/do-top-colleges-enroll-enough-pell-grant-students.html)</p>
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<p>Ouch! That kinda hurts.</p>
<p>Let’s keep this thread going! What’s bad about Brown? </p>
<p>Lame school spirit.
You have to walk up a hill.</p>
<p>anything else?</p>
<p>We have a ton of school spirit. People LOVE Brown. It’s just that our spirit isn’t derived from sports or translated into competition against other schools, it’s all about our own love for this place because it is what it is not because it compares to other places.</p>
<p>The fact that they don’t have as large of an endowment as HYP, which is slightly unnerving when it comes to FA. </p>
<p>I think going ED instead of EA is kind of a turnoff also. Brown’s beyond my dream school, and we fall well below the $60,000 point, but the whole home equity thing may be a killer FA-wise.</p>
<p>“waa!! I don’t get a free education!!” Get loans like everyone else. I love how people assume the world owes them something the minute it comes into existence. </p>
<p>My parent’s income is still counted on FA even though I’m almost 26 and have been independent for 7 years. Do you think I have a spare $20k lying around? Nope. Still not complaining about it, it’s the same as what it would have cost me to go to a good state school.</p>
<p>^wolfmanjack - Huh? How can they count your parents’ income if you are 25 yrs old and have not been claimed on their taxes for 7 years? I admit I did not do my FAFSA, so I don’t know the nasty machinations that are part of the process, but wt.f. Where does the tapping of any possible resources in your family tree end? I better not tell them that my great grandpappy was a moonshiner in the 20’s who hid some money in a cigar box out the woodshed. :-)</p>
<p>This is all nitpicky stuff, though. EA vs ED, endowment compared to HYP, what about the character of the school, the classes, the city? What are things taht make people say, “If I’d known about ______, I wouldn’t have come here”?</p>
<p>If you come in as in dependent (not married, military, etc) and under 24 you are dependent until you leave Brown, it doesn’t matter if you become federally independent or not. These are things I recommend knowing about through doing. Don’t just let your parents have all the knowledge all the time, it’s part of being an adult.</p>
<p>To the above question - nothing. But I do know one guy who had a really bad problem his freshman year and the administration didn’t handle it well (according to his story) and he doesn’t really like Brown because of that. I think that those ill feelings have translated into some other attitudes about things here which may be his own doing as a result of his perceptions. FWIW I was unhappy with my initial experiences with a certain dean and her organizational skills but that’s an isolated case and she isn’t here anymore anyway!</p>
<p>Oh…yeah…</p>
<p>Minus the snarkiness, thanks.</p>
<p>snark snark snarkkkkk</p>
<p>The OP is looking for negatives people. He’s not asking for you to justify how wonderful the school is. Thus, those of you, specifically modestmelody, need to stop pretending that Brown, or any school FWIW, are these perfect havens of learning. Of course Brown has negatives, as does any school!</p>
<p>Also, modestmelody, that was out of line what you said about 1714IQPartier. After all, you’re the college student on a site who is DONE with the search process, yet desperately attempting to draw a misleading portrait of Brown!</p>
<p>well, this is an online forum after all. i remember as a high school senior reading these threads, i discount everything i read since most likely they are biased opinions. and come on, i am sure that modestmelody threw that line in an attempt to humorously fend off a generalization on 174IQPartier’s part. to your point, i think there has been some fair negatives offered by current students in this thread. (i still hate Students for Democratic Society – classless radicals.)</p>
<p>as far as what 174IQPartier said – yup, we have some stupid, spoiled, legacy kids. so what? i think brown is also a place where smart kids meet rich kids. and that can be a potent combination down the road. they can be pretty funny when drunk, too (great weekend entertainment).</p>
<p>i could care less about whether a student at brown merits an admission to begin with or not. the fact is, the person is a student here now. if he/she seems like a nice person, that’s good enough reason for me to be friends. </p>
<p>in the spirit of unbiasedness: everything i wrote is just my opinion. feel free to disagree.</p>
<p>My point, ■■■■■ who decided to come in here with a play off of my name rather than post with their own moniker, is that I think it’s unfair for someone who is not here to talk about some perception they have about Brown.</p>
<p>Current students could have plenty to complain about, myself included, but comments like that from 174 which paint inaccurately and with a broad brush are totally uncalled for.</p>
<p>I am far from pretending like Brown doesn’t have issues, but I’ll debunk those that are brought up which have no basis in reality (for instance, someone telling me Brown doesn’t have science students when 32% of our concentrators are in the sciences… it’s factually incorrect to say that we have disproportionately low numbers of science students at Brown).</p>
<p>I hate that Brown which tries hard to have a culture of unique balance between research and teaching still uses the same review process for tenure that’s used anywhere else resulting in new faculty feeling particularly stressed about research production and often not paying as much service to the university or to teaching as more veteran faculty because they’re fearful that they won’t be able to bring in enough grant money or produce enough research to get approved for tenure. I think if we’re trying to build a unique culture we have to do more than just make it a responsibility for faculty to teach and make it clear when we’re recruiting staff that this is the expectation-- with the increased competitiveness for earning grant these days, if we’re not careful, all new faculty members will be the same style faculty member that would work quite well at all of the top research institutions in the country rather than professors who will work well at Brown. I don’t think self-selection and our initial hiring process is enough-- we have to reward professors in a way which is consistent with our value system and expectations. That’s incredibly hard to do and an issue across academia but I wish we would step up and tackle it more head on.</p>
<p>I wish that UCS would recognize its power is not as a parliamentary body but as an organizing body for the student representatives on campus. Speaking with the NEASC committee this last week I learned that Brown is way beyond its peers in terms of recognizing students in an official capacity during the decision making process-- too bad the student governance structure seems unaware of how important those appointments are. We should be organizing amongst student representatives in multiple groups and have an agenda set by students which can directly reach the bodies making these decisions on the ground instead of passing meaningless resolutions and fighting for BS that UCS finds itself engaged in all of the time.</p>
<p>I wish that UTRAs were 5k instead of 3k making them more competitive with sources of outside funding and making living in Providence over the summer for research less burdensome for those on financial aid. I wish that our money for funding people on unpaid or low-paying internships out of Brown’s pocket was higher.</p>
<p>While I love our urban location, I often wish Providence wasn’t so difficult to expand into and do new construction so we could build additional seminar space and dorm space which has gotten tight on campus.</p>
<p>I wish Brown did a better job tracking student outcomes so that we can present a far better picture about what Brown is actually doing for its students-- students here and our professors are all extremely confident in our system, but too often, I feel outsiders who don’t get it and aren’t here are turned away from it because traditional measures don’t work well in a less traditional academic structure. OIR should do a better job tracking alumni. There are some really interesting pieces of anecdotal evidence we’re only starting to collect in a systematic way.</p>
<p>I have a few others-- I don’t these things are that meaningful to incoming freshman or seniors in high school but if you’d like for me to continue, I will.</p>
<p>Congratulations on either being too scared to post that under your real name or for feeling that this was the moment that was worth signing up on this site for that comment. I’m sure you’re going to be a huge asset to the forums.</p>
<p>I guess, after all, I’m not a “huge asset to the forums.” I mean, all I did was end up convincing you to give a truthful post. Hmm…</p>
<p>Me, personally, I like what modestmelody is doing here. He’s obviously taking plenty of time out of his obviously busy schedule to answer our questions no matter how mundane they are or how many times they have been answered. He doesn’t paint it up like a fantasy land; he just tells it how it is. If you want to hear bad things, then do ask. If you want to hear good things, then do ask as well. </p>
<p>I, as many others have before me, love his posts. They’re extremely informative and quite helpful when it comes to college decisions. His enthusiasm for the school makes me want to go there all the more, which I’m pretty sure is why he spends said time posting here, to get other people interested in Brown and to want to go here. </p>
<p>Keep up the good work, mm!</p>
<p>I’ve never posted something I don’t believe to be 100% true.</p>
<p>I’m just going to chime it to say I also support you modest. Quite frankly, after applying/being accepted to brown I knew next to nothing about it except what their website said. Your insight has been greatly appreciated by many people, myself included.</p>
<p>Conceited was just saying that he was able to pull something out of you finally. But really he just got things that aren’t really concerns of incoming freshmen. </p>
<p>I do have another complaint now that I think about it. They don’t repaint Wriston or Faunce often enough on the sides that aren’t visible from the street, or are up very high. The paint is falling off and it looks like crap if you take the time to look at it. I used to work for Reslife/facilities so I saw it frequently.</p>