<p>yes, it is, because look at what you are saying....you think its like a roster of pluses and minuses....its not that simple....you really make it seem simple, when it reality, its very complex...thats why high SAT/low GPA get in as much as high GPA/low SAT</p>
<p>also, everyone has something that makes them different, hello??? its the science of life....you cant have the same activities, same leadership, same average, same personal qualities, same income, same socioeconomic level, as someone else, its statistically not possible, therefore, lets end this, your hypothetical situation just cant and doesnt happen..they dont decide by such small differences in SAT, they dont, thats it, drop it</p>
<p>ayo, Bklyn, You have some awesome viewpoints and ideas, I really hope you get into Cornell bro, you belong at the top. Sorry for digressing, just thought I'd say that.</p>
<p>the SAT is purely objective, and it is that which makes it beautiful (almost sexy). passions are great, and that should separte the great from the greater. but the SAT is most important.</p>
<p>hey, xindianx, wow thanks man, thats really nice to hear coming from a CCer, i hope you get into whereever you want to go as well, good luck to you, and im totally on your side in terms of Bush, :)</p>
<p>This is in response to a previous statement by ...someone. I got a 1500 in SAT but I didnt really work to hard, in fact what happened is that I was studying for one of the schools here in India, but I realized that they expected 12 hrs a day of work from me, so I just gave it up and took that month's SAT, and lookee what i got!</p>
<p>According to this site, Ivies use what is called the academic index calculator extensively, which heavily weighs SAT Is IIs and class rank, NOT GPA, unless their is no class rank. This tool is available on this website.
About 40% of Ivy admissions is for 'special' students. Getting around the SAT average of the school will not help you much, and will probably mean you are less competitive in that respect. I am looking at this in practical terms.</p>
<p>I'm also a prospective cornellian brooklyn. :) No offense, but I hope their admissions policy (at least for engineering) leans more towards standardized testing because I did well on that but ECs arent too strong.</p>
<p>at the least, its quite impressive how much you improved your CR score.</p>
<p>like, for international students (whose mother language is not eng), is it understandable to get a not-so-good score on Verbal and Writing?</p>
<p>Bklyn is the only logical one here. Everybody here, in an egotistic way, is saying that a 1400 is not good for ivy admission and that you MUST have a 1550+. You guys are so clueless; it borders on sheer ignorance. There are plenty of people who get into ivy's with 1200's and 1300's. Everybody in the ivy admission process is not as intelligent as those on this forum. Everybody relax.....</p>
<p>Most of them who get in ivies with 1300 and 1200 are either Urm or athlete</p>
<p>wow...i feel so....good that im being praised so often, lol....im humbled and very happy to hear that. </p>
<p>Yes, i am a prospective cornellian, but sorry asher, your way of admissions is just not the way Cornell does things. Its just absolutely not. Cornell weighs heavily on extracurriculars and how u r unique and stand out. I think thats more important in life, dont you?</p>
<p>read the book, "What It Really Takes to Get Into the Ivy League" written by a former senior admissions officer from Harvard University. you will see that test scores are more important than you think.</p>
<p>of course colleges want people who are well rounded, but unless you are an urm, athlete, etc. your chances are 50% at best since there are thousands of well rounded students with ECs and scores higher than 1400.</p>
<p>Well...we all know that Harvard, frankly an institution that makes me sick, weighs very heavily on SAT because all their applicants have very high averages and are all equestrian players. Oh, not to mention rich snobs and rich snobs that are legacies. Cornell and many other schools are quite distinct from Harvard, in every way imaginable, so you are false my friend.</p>
<p><a href="http://collegeconfidential.com/academic_index.htm%5B/url%5D">http://collegeconfidential.com/academic_index.htm</a>
Brooklyn, I think it differs by school, and in Cornell's case, by college. For instance, in my case, I would have better chances of admission into engineering than College of Arts and Sciences, because admission is done by college. Each looks for different traits in an applicant's profile. Engineering of course would value math and science aptitude more than other academics and possibly more than ECs. The school of art and architecture would likely focus more on your portfolio. Arts and sciences would look at your academics overall and ECs. And so on.</p>
<p>Brooklyn, colleges seem to say one thing and do another. You do not need a 1300 or 1400 + SAT score to get into ivies, but your chances are simply better. Look here: <a href="http://www.princetonreview.com/college/research/profiles/admissionsfactors.asp?listing=1023589<id=1&intbucketid=%5B/url%5D">http://www.princetonreview.com/college/research/profiles/admissionsfactors.asp?listing=1023589<id=1&intbucketid=</a> . According to this, ECs recs, GPA, SATs are all considered "Very Important." It does not show, however, the focus on those criteria relative to each other. Admissions counselors may look at test scores though in terms of your economic status, so a low SAT score for poor enough people will not hurt them as much as it would someone richer.</p>
<p>Ok, my response to that would be yes, i agree, i am fully aware of the college system at Cornell and I know wat school im applying to. My school for instance, doesnt look at SAT as much as involvement, initiative, activity, motivation, grades, etc. </p>
<p>Secondly, on the socioeconomic level, i am a Russian immigrant, first generation American, even though i was born in Moscow. You can consider me "poor enough". Lets just say my income is <40,000 for 3 people. I did take my SAT IIs (770 - History/ 680- Bio), but I just took my SATs. I dont know what i got, but using your theory, which i actually agree with completely, then it may not hurt me as much. SAT does correlate directly and pathetically with income, so one can assume we have an affluent bunch here on CC. :) Speak for yourselves.</p>
<p>Well, I know someone who scored a 1760 on the SAT in march, which in all honesty is pretty horrible; also take into consideration he wanted to go ivy. Then, in april I believe, he took the ACT and scored a 33--yes, a 33! My question is, will his chances of admission be over shadowed by his daunting SAT score?</p>
<p>See...now thats different. Thats not what these people are saying. These people are saying a 1400 'isnt good enough.' A 1760 is pretty terrible. The m/v probably ranges in the 1100-1200 range which is not even some state school material. Rarely do people with that SAT get into an Ivy. Thats different though. Thats separating the gold from the feces. Thats not separating the 1400s from the 1420s.</p>
<p>Well obviously, but will the luster of gold overpower the stench of his feces?</p>
<p>LMAO!!!!! wow, excellent continuation of my anecdote! the luster of gold will overpower it, yes.</p>