Is Tulane the right decision?

Very conflicted about whether I should still consider Tulane at this point. I LOVE their programs- it’s the only school I’ve been accepted to where I can graduate with an accredited architecture degree, which means a lot. My issue lies mostly with money. I live in the northeast, so I’d have to fly or take the train home- very expensive. Also, I didn’t receive any merit aid or scholarship so I would have to pay out of pocket (unless financial aid comes through- which is debatable considering my middle class income).

I’m also uneasy about Tulane b/c i don’t know anybody who goes there, neither were any of my friends who applied accepted. My parents also aren’t really into the idea of me being so far from home… but they were the one’s encouraged me to apply soo… Idk it just seems a little risky to go someplace that I know very little about, besides what I’ve researched on the internet, meanwhile paying 40k+ for tuition.

My other options at the moment are SUNY Binghamton honors program and St John’s w/ a large scholarship. Still waiting to hear back from 4 schools too.

Thanks, if anyone has advice it would be super helpful!!

@Dorina333‌

These are always very tough decisions. I know, that isn’t very helpful, but just to let you know a lot of people agonize over similar considerations every year. I do think the Tulane architecture program is fantastic, especially the way they are so involved in New Orleans itself. One thing I will mention right off is that you will never take the train back and forth unless you want to for personal reasons. It isn’t much cheaper (if at all) and takes forever. But there are tons of students from the Northeast that go to Tulane, about 1/3 of each incoming class. So it is quite likely that you will be flying with classmates and new friends, and in fact most students I know end up coordinating their flights with these new friends so they can be together for fun and for sharing the taxi fare to and from the airport. So other than the expense, at least the length of the trip is less of a factor.

Speaking of expense, I think it is hard to make a decision until you actually see what Tulane is willing to do as far as financial aid. You might be pleasantly surprised, or you might not be, but until you see it, assessing the complete picture is not possible. I will mention, though, that the total cost of attending is more like $64,000 per year. No sense sugar coating it, because tuition is not the only expense. I know you know that, but let’s get the real number out there.

Also, when you are doing the money calculations after you see Tulane’s package, keep in mind that with Tulane you will have that accredited degree in 5 years. With these other programs you will have to take 2 more years to get that same accreditation, or 6 years in total. So you will have to estimate what years 5 and 6 will cost you someplace else, since most master’s programs don’t give scholarships. Master’s programs are considered cash cows for universities.

It sounds like you have not been to Tulane for a visit, is that right? If true, I definitely recommend getting there for Destination Tulane and spending a day or two, and especially arrange to talk to people in the architecture program and sit in on a couple of beginning architecture classes. For such an important decision with so much money at stake, spending a few hundred dollars on such a trip is a wise investment. You really need some first-hand impressions to help round out the picture for you.

I’m a freshman architecture student at Tulane, so feel free to message me if you have any questions about the program! I will let you know that we recently received an award for Freshman Architecture curriculum, and our architecture program is absolutely amazing and probably worth it.

I don’t know too much about the costs of travelling to the northeast, but I can say that a lot of people are from there and quite a few people stay on campus during breaks (except for during winter break, when the dorms close). So, you would really only HAVE to go back for winter and summer breaks.

I’m a nine hour drive away from Tulane (1 hour plane ride) and my parents weren’t happy about me coming so far, but I convinced them.

As far as the not knowing anyone here–I don’t even know of anyone in my town that has come here, let alone a close friend. I came here without knowing anybody, having been to New Orleans once for a long weekend over a year before I made my decision. All of my family lives close to my home, so there isn’t even anyone within driving distance if there’s an emergency. The thing is, just about everyone here has the same situation. I only know a few people who knew people before they came here. Most people come in completely alone, and I think that’s actually a good thing about Tulane. A lot of people back home who go to state schools end up hanging out with high school friends and never venture out. People here are way friendlier and more open about meeting new people because they don’t have a safety to fall back on. Furthermore, since you are so far away from home, you really learn responsibility because your parents aren’t there to hold you. It’s tough at first but you get used to it and become a much better person because of it. I think I had an easier time making friends here than I did in high school. I already had a group message going on after a week of meeting people, and we still all text and hang out sometimes.

Also, as an architecture student, I can say that you will really get to know architecture students. We spend a lot of time in studio together, and you’re bound to make friends in architecture. There’s a joke that we’re a cult, but if you look at it, most architecture students (especially upperclassmen) are such good friends with their classmates that we often forget to hang out with people outside of architecture. Don’t worry about making friends at Tulane. Don’t let that be a “con” on your list when trying to decide on a school. Yeah, the money should definitely be something you take into account, but you’ll make so many friends here you won’t have time for them all (and this is coming from an introvert who is super awkward around other people).

@Dorina333‌

Well, there you go. Far be it for me to speak for someone else, but I bet if you could make it to Tulane for a visit @porquekay‌ would be happy to try and spend a little time with you and give you the flavor of the school, both the overall school and the School of Architecture. Great post, btw porquekay. So glad Tulane has turned out to be such a good fit for you.

Wow, thank you both so much, for reminding of what I found so appealing about Tulane in the first place. I am attending one of those local admitted students receptions tomorrow so hopefully I will learn even more there, although I do realize that I need to visit for Destination Tulane.
@fallenchemist I didn’t realize so many students came from the northeast
@porquekay It sounds like you are having a really positive first year!! Are you part of the the 5 year program?

Yes, I’m having a great year, and I’m doing the 5 year! Actually, this year is the first year that they even offered the 4 year program, and I don’t think I know any freshmen who are planning on doing the 4 year. There are a few people in my studio who are older students who have decided they want to major in architecture, so it allows them to switch in and get a degree. (You basically have to start first semester freshman year to do the 5 year). Architecture is a very busy major, so do expect to have a lot of late nights in studio (though this goes for the 4-year students in my studio as well) working on drawing, drafting, and building models while some of the less demanding majors go out or get some sleep. However, it’s worth it, I think! My professor last semester mentioned that the students from last year’s graduating class who were looking for jobs in architecture had all already found jobs in architecture (some people major in architecture and do other design-related work like graphic design, film, and art).

I will let you know that I didn’t learn too much about the school from the local student reception, but then again yours could be different.

If you do come visit, I would be glad to show you around in addition to any tours you take through the school!

Let me know if you have any other questions about the program!

My daughter is a first year architecture student and loves the program at Tulane. She had many choices that were ranked and came with large amounts of merit but wanted the Tulane program for both the program itself and because of New Orleans. She only comes home for winter and possibly spring break due to distance and cost but those were discussed prior to her acceptance. The program is intense and sleep is minimal but she tells us she is in the right place. Hope that helps.

Hi. We’re going to a admitted student reception in MD tomorrow. Wonder if you’ll be at that one? :slight_smile:

@gettingaclue Nope mine already past. Have fun though!!

@fallenchemist It sounds like you are very connected to Tulane - I see your posts and read them with interest. I was wondering if you could put my mind to ease a bit. My DD is very excited about her acceptance to Tulane and we are coming to visit in April. She is a Biomedical Engineering major from California. I am concerned about New Orleans and the general laissez les bons temps rouler (sorry about my spelling) and party atmosphere that I hear Tulane has. My daughter’s high school friendship group is pretty conservative and she hasn’t had a lot of experience in the party scene. I think she thinks it sounds like a lot of fun, but it makes me nervous for her safety. Can you give some insight?

Hi @Sierra225‌

I can give you the simple answer of just saying to look at all the successful students and parents of successful students that have posted on here. I can promise you they had some of the same reservations you are expressing. I could also once again point out my D as an anecdotal example. She didn’t “party” in the sense most people mean it, but she had a great time and was very successful at Tulane, and now after Tulane which prepared her excellently for her graduate work at Stanford and was instrumental in her landing one of the most coveted internships in her chosen career path. But I will go into a little more of a general exposition on the subjects you raise.

There is no question that Tulane and New Orleans offer plenty of distractions. The distractions that come from parties, Greek life, etc. are the same as at any school. People talk about Tulane being a huge party school, no doubt in large part due to its location. After all, who else has Mardi Gras? But the fact of the matter is that the level of partying at Tulane is no different than at virtually any other school, including Harvard, Duke, etc. In fact some people say, and I have seen some evidence of this at the very rural school my son attended undergrad, that these more rural schools have more drinking and partying of “that nature” precisely because there is not a lot else to do.

So then you get to the distractions outside of what you would find at any other college, those offered by NOLA. Clearly any major city offers lots of distractions. Can you imagine what going to NYU must be like? Or USC? True, NOLA has a lot of festivals and other unique aspects, which is what makes it so wonderful. But part of living those 4 years away from home, but not yet having the full responsibilities that go with having a full time job and/or family of your own is to learn to balance these things. And that really is the key. The vast majority of kids at Tulane find that balance fairly quickly, if for no other reason than mid-terms come up before you know it. In your D’s case of being a BME major, reality will hit even sooner. It is a demanding major with a lot of work well before mid-terms. Which is good, because it forces that kind of discipline upon them. But I have also found that most students, and especially the most academically serious ones, understand how to stay disciplined from the start. I promise there are plenty of students just like your D that don’t want to party in the wild sense, but just want to have good friends that like to do some fun things, have interesting conversations, and know they are primarily there to do well in school. I won’t pretend that it isn’t easier to find those people that like to party hard, and again that is true anyplace. But with a little effort finding ones true peers happens pretty fast for most.

As far as safety, the Uptown area is very safe in general. I look at the stats for other schools frequently, and Tulane actually fares better than a lot that might surprise you. But it still requires that all students use a healthy dose of common sense. No one should walk around off campus late at night alone, not even guys. But is there anywhere that wouldn’t be true? The campus is extremely safe. If she does decide to attend a frat party or two, she should employ the buddy system where one of them promises to stay sober and look out for the other. Tulane hasn’t had some of the issues that other schools have as far as I know, but let’s not kid ourselves. It could happen anywhere. Again, common sense and good preparation through honest talks would prevent most of the terrible incidents we have heard about. But my daughter took the streetcar all the time, walked from campus to the South Carrollton shopping areas during the daytime (staying on main streets like Broadway and St. Charles), and one semester took the bus (with her bike) from campus to the City Park area to work at a local library and never had a whiff of a problem.

So in conclusion, IMO getting the most out of attending Tulane and NOLA is a matter of self-discipline, balance, and common sense. And also putting yourself out there to take advantage of all the wonderful things the school and the city have to offer. It doesn’t do much good to attend school in a city with all those great festivals if you never attend any with your friends.

@porquekay @carb123 Hello. I have a quick question just to help other students that are trying to decide on which Tulane Architecture program they ought to apply to. Are you saying that you can easily switch from BS in Arch (4 year) to BArch (5 year) after your first semester? If so, that is a really nice option. Thanks!

I would add that in these decisions there is a cost benefit analysis. Some schools are worth more based on average salary at graduation. If you are comparing 4 year totals of 240k and 60k for the same degree you may not get your money back. And where you want to do your internship and jobs. Many students end up living where they go to school. I looked at Texas A&M. A great school all of their internship are in Texas and most job offers come from that area. I wanted to end up in Boston.

I agree with the line of thought you have @kitty11. The one thing I would point out is that just using average salary for graduates of certain majors might be a bit simplistic, not to mention these things definitely can change in the 4 years of school. I student starting school in 2006 certainly might have had one set of expectations for the financial markets, 2008 changed all that so that by the time that student graduate the job market and salaries could be rather different. A more contemporary example might be petroleum engineering. The rapid drop in oil prices has significantly slowed exploration and building of new wells in difficult oil recovery areas, as well as at many fracking sites.

But even beyond that, there is more to choosing a school than salary expectations. It would be one thing if we were talking about a month at a place or a summer. But this is 4 years, so the overall environment of the school, the quality of your peer group. and similar factors really have value. How much value is very subjective, but very real nonetheless.

Well said. But beware that a large debt can be a dangerous situation

@kitty11‌

Amen, sister! Preach it to the rafters!

LOL, forgive the hyperbole, but you are indeed preaching to a true believer on that subject, and I am extremely glad you brought it up again. It has been a while since I have seen it discussed on this forum. It cannot be said enough. Personally, I have offered the opinion that after 4 years the most debt a student should have is $30,000, maybe up to $35,000 if you have reasonable expectations of a solid starting salary. Just what my own tolerance for debt is, and others may be comfortable with slightly more. But finishing undergrad with $50,000 or $75,000 or more in debt is, as you say, a potentially crippling situation.

Just to expand a bit on what @fallenchemist said. Having a lot of debt on finishing college will affect the choices you can make. If you want to work for a non-profit, travel for a bit, or do anything else that involves little or no pay, it may not be possible if you’re carrying a lot of debt.

Re the architecture program - from what my daughter has been telling me it is eaiser to switch into the 4 year program or have a minor in architecture. The 5 year program is intense from day one so I’m not sure if you can go the other direction. She loves the program. It has been the right choice for her though there is a cost to social life and sleep

@Carb123‌

From what I hear, the ability to enjoy both a social life and some sleep gets a little better in the later years of the program. I am not sure if that is because the students get more experienced at managing their time or if it is because the fundamentals they have to learn in the first couple of years are just that much more time consuming. I suspect some of both, but I am no expert at all. It’s just what some of the architecture students have said in the past, plus my roommate one year was in Architecture, even if that was when we were all still building log cabins. So I got a glimpse into how that world seemed to operate.