<p>they certainly do have more value than rice. some of the countries top businesses only recruit at the 8 ivys, stanford, mit, and duke. and everybody who is giong to read a resume had heard of upenn and brown. come on, give me a break.</p>
<p>Woodwork, you're so silly. See my other threads. I hate Duke and love Dartmouth. This has nothing to do with schools I like or don't like. Despite Dartmouth being a much nicer campus (far more intimate and less spread out) than that of Duke, that has nothing to do with the fact that no Dookie will ever envy someone who went to Dartmouth.</p>
<p>And I wasn't just talking about Fortune 500 employers. But as far as your constant harping on NYC versus Houston, I don't think Lesser Five kids are limited to NYC and surely Rice kids aren't limited to Houston. That being said, would you rather make $200,000 a year at UBS in NYC, with a 48.52% income tax rate (federal+state+city) or $200,000 a year at UBS in Houston with a 35.0% income tax rate (no state or city income tax)? UBS starts their Analysts and Associates at the same amount, and won't pay you extra in NYC for the higher tax rate or the higher cost of living. I dare say that the average investment banker in Houston makes far more at the end of the day than the average investment banker in NYC. The top of the ladder makes more in NYC, but many of those people came from San Francisco, Houston, Boston, and Chicago anyway.</p>
<p>jamesah1, that is just wrong. The top investment banks, at least, not only recruit at Rice, they recruit at UVa, Berkeley, UNC, Michigan, and other top PUBLIC schools. What employer, exactly, are you talking about? Rice is a small school, but its graduates are at every investment bank in the United States.</p>
<p>The Lesser Five are not in the same league as HYPS even though they are all in the official "ivy league."</p>
<p>It would be intersting if the haters would stae the schools they came from in their future posts, in respect of full disclosure. It would also clear things up on how they have come to know so much about the Ivies.</p>
<p>IVEY ENVY................IS THERE NO STOPPING IT!</p>
<p>Since I may not get in, I hope IVY isn't that important.</p>
<p>Sigh... it would be nice if Woodwork was older than 13 or whatever, so that he could actually respond to the logical fallacies of his argument. Oh well. :(</p>
<p>Oh, it's important Mensa! When people ask you how good the Penn State football team will be this year, and then you have to explain to them that the University of Pennsylvania is actually a private school, you'll see just how important all of this really is.</p>
<p>Seriously though, what is important is what you accomplish at college. HYPMS aren't even helpful if you don't do well. There are plenty of Harvard grads who majored in English and don't have jobs, just as there are plenty of engineering graduates from say Purdue who have 5 offers. HYPMS are different than the Lesser Five or Rice/Duke in that they have name recognition, but it really isn't that much if you haven't accomplished a lot on your own instead of trying to lean on your degree like a crutch.</p>
<p>Woodwork, in the interest of disclosure... I went to UVa. I was an investment banker and recruiter for Morgan Stanley in the late 90s and early 00s. I know the schools because I've recruited at most of them (not just the Lesser Five and HYPMS but the top publics, Rice/Duke/Vandy, etc.) I know Yale and Dartmouth better than the others because the Yale Club in NYC is an alumni club of Yale, UVa, and Dartmouth grads. Tired of working 60-80 hours a week for MS, I started my own business. I'm now far more interested in technology than i-banking, but the skillset is mostly transferrable (think "math" and people skills).</p>
<p>Harvard and Yale are supposedly above Princeton, but the top kids in my school all went to Princeton, and they are SMART!</p>
<p>"It would be intersting if the haters would stae the schools they came from in their future posts, in respect of full disclosure. It would also clear things up on how they have come to know so much about the Ivies."</p>
<p>I recently received a likely letter from Yale, and I didn't get into my first choice which was Stanford EA. In all probability I will be a Yale c/o 2009, so I guess you can call me an ivy-leaguer.</p>
<p>That said, I don't think the ivy league is all that it is cracked up to be. The Lesser Five are just relying on the prestige of HYP. Schools like Stanford, MIT, and Caltech have more prestige than the Lesser Five. I feel that the status of being an ivy only helps the Lesser Five and doesn't really help schools like HYPSMC, which are prestigious in their own right.</p>
<p>"I don't think the ivy league is all that it is cracked up to be"</p>
<p>Well, I would give anything to get in to even one Ivy, but probably not..</p>
<p>May I just say that while the "Lesser Five" might not be quite as good as HYPSM, they're still really good schools! Stop trying to make them sound like giant intellectual vacuums!</p>
<p>"do you suffer from ivy-envy?
I think anyone who reads your posts can guess:</p>
<p>that's right,
respetyle-dysfunction!"</p>
<p>I don't think anyone on this thread is suffering from "ivy envy." On the contrary, I think people from Lesser Five schools are suffering from HYPSM envy. This is because I hear many of them refering to schools like MIT, Stanford, and Duke as "near-ivies." The term near-ivy implies that a school like MIT or Stanford are almost but not quite as good as the ivies. That is a false assertion because Stanford and MIT are equal to HYP and far greater than the Lesser Five.</p>
<p>Breeze, </p>
<p>when you're "recruiting" at Dartmouth, Columbia, Brown, Penn do you refer to these schools as the "lesser Ivies?"</p>
<p>I'm betting, not.</p>
<p>Just curious how forth-coming you are.</p>
<p>Woodwork, you've still yet to disclose your age or high school. No, I didn't say "Lesser Five" to these students, nor did I ever say "Ivy League" to these students. It just doesn't come up when you're asking someone about their accomplishments.</p>
<p>"Harvard and Yale are supposedly above Princeton, but the top kids in my school all went to Princeton, and they are SMART!"</p>
<p>Princeton is consistently ranked number one. Yale and Harvard definitely aren't above us ;)</p>
<p>Although I will agree, before I started doing my research I always just thought of Yale and Harvard, but that's mostly because they get more recognition with grad schools, etc. But for people in the know, Princeton's the best ;)</p>
<p>yup =D pton has the best undergraduate school woot woot!</p>
<p>Yeah Princeton is the best cause they hack into Yale's admission database with their applicants' social security numbers. I guess they wanted to check if the applicants they admitted were also admitted to Yale, because Princeton feels insecure or something. Do they even have an honor code at Princeton? </p>
<p>Princeton: From top down it's cheater central.</p>
<p>That was years ago, and it was with ED, so the people who had applied to Yale were violating the honor code in the first place.</p>
<p>Let's not be bitter, mm?</p>
<p>1) Yale wouldn't have known if Princeton didnt tell them....wow pathetic
2) Do you feel safe knowing that Yale's system is easily hacked into?
3) Princeton's honor code is the strictest of the 3.....lol</p>