Jesus Camp

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I see a direct correlation between the lack of religion and the lack of morality in our society.

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<p>I understand what you mean, but I do disagree. I have been raised by wonderful parents who taught me good from wrong, helping others, and seeking worthy causes. Niether of the are religious, but nor are the athiests. You don't need religion to learn right from wrong, I certainly didn't. Yes religion teaches you those things, but their not the sole provider.</p>

<p>I learned the same lessons as christianity, and all other religions preach, but with different words, and all the same meaning.</p>

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<p>First, Divine command theory (ie bible dictates morals) cannot justify moral rules, its a reflection of an independent moral code, which itself remains unjustified. We may have gotten the rules from religion, but we came up with the justifications on our own. </p>

<p>"Now, you may say that morality is self-evident, but I could only agree with you to a point. For instance, there are native Amazonian tribes who kill and cannibalize their young if they are sick. This, no doubt, would be a shockingly immoral act to you and I. To them, however, there is nothing at all wrong with this practice. Their morality comes from their religious beliefs, as do ours."</p>

<p>Just because that's what they believe doesn't make it right. Morality is not relative.</p>

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<p>I just saw the movie</p>

<p>This is a must see for all Christians. It will scare the bejesus out of you!</p>

<p>Don’t see this if your not Christian, it will give you absolutely the wrong idea about Christianity and religion in general.</p>

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<p>my roomies think they are too cool to believe in God, so, of course, they were like "ya see what stupid religions does to you!" This movie is corny and stupid. Only hicks in the back country are like this. Well, Im going to see it for a good laugh, but the people in this movie are brainwashed just as badly as the german citizens were during WWII.</p>

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<p>That scares me so much. In a preview I watched, little kids were chanting "no more abortion! abortion is murder!"....six year olds should never know what abortion even is, let alone form radical opinions against it.</p>

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<p>I laughed when I saw the girl crying while she was praying</p>

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<p>it looks funny</p>

<p>I hope its doesn’t give stupid impressionable people the wrong idea about Christians.</p>

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<p>^, it looks really dumb. I'll probably catch it to laugh, but I certainly know that isn't what Christianity is really about.</p>

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<p>Ah I see Fides et Ratio. My apologies for the misunderstanding, and it appears that we were thinking along the same line of thought after all.</p>

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<p>I don't have a very flattering opinion of religions to be honest, sure they offer some good things to society but some date rapists give the woman a nice dinner before doing the deed and we don't focus on the dinner do we?</p>

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<p>I'd peg most of society's evils on a lack of religion in people's lives.</p>

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What is unhealthy is when nobody believes anymore. Most people don't go to church anymore, they don't pray, they don't seriously work on their spiritual development.

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<p>Hate to burst your bubble, but as long as there are lawyers on this planet, nobody will trust anybody. And I don't see anything wrong with skipping church. It's not like attendance is mandatory....I skip church on a regular basis. It's radicals like the ones depicted in jesus camp that drives me to break away from christianity completely.</p>

<p>Oh by the way I noticed historically that religion is one of the main driving forces of warfare especially in the 17th and 18th centuries. Anyway I completely understand not all christians condone that kind of thing let alone are like that, but I don't want any association with a fundementalist sect like the one portrayed in jesus camp. Besides, fundementalism is dangerous REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND, they're all dangerous.</p>

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<p>"I laughed when I saw the girl crying while she was praying"</p>

<p>Are you serious? That last shot of the girl crying really pulled at my heartstrings. It's so beautiful, yet so sad. It's incredible that these kids are willing to give up their lives for something they don't even fully understand yet. But, having something to devote your life to, living with a purpose that you believe in, I think is really beautiful (coming from someone who has no idea what to do with his life). </p>

<p>My philosophy on the matter is to live and let live. Nothing these people do has a direct effect on my life, so why should I judge and condemn them. So it's not for me, obviously the people in this movie and other evangelicals are doing this to "better themselves" (at least in the way they see it), so who am I to call them "religious freaks". They probably see us as "the devil's child", but does that make one side better than the other? Absolutely not.</p>

<p>I'm definitely going to have to see this documentary.</p>

<p>Edit: Okay...I just realized that they're trying to take over the government, which is pretty sick, but still...I'm a firm believer in tolerance</p>

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<p>I think we need to differentiate between the Jesus Campers and those like them, and your average evangelical Protestant. The people in this film are not everyday, mainline evangelicals attached to traditional mainline denominations (Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc). It looks a lot more like a new fundamentalist sect, a new Church altogether with its own theology -- a new Jehovah's Witnessism or Seventh-Day Adventistism. That this film tries to make them look like a major presence in Christianity, with a serious impact on government, is absolutely ridiculous, paranoid, and delusional.</p>

<p>It's like here in Canada; the liberal media (CBC and the Toronto Star) is trying to convince us that fundamentalists are taking over the government because the Conservative party is in power and prime minister Stephen Harper happens to be an evangelical. It's a laughable and obvious smear tactic, aimed at scaring people into voting Liberal. The reality is that the Conservative Party of Canada is firmly centrist, as it always has been. (We're quite a bit to the left of the Republican Party, actually.) Listening to the CBC and the Star, however, you'd think we were on the verge of some kind of dystopian theocracy.</p>

<p>Ah, the games that liberals play...</p>

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I think we need to differentiate between the Jesus Campers and those like them, and your average evangelical Protestant. The people in this film are not everyday, mainline evangelicals attached to traditional mainline denominations (Anglican, Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc). It looks a lot more like a new fundamentalist sect, a new Church altogether with its own theology -- a new Jehovah's Witnessism or Seventh-Day Adventistism. That this film tries to make them look like a major presence in Christianity, with a serious impact on government, is absolutely ridiculous, paranoid, and delusional.

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<p>Agree</p>

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It's like here in Canada; the liberal media (CBC and the Toronto Star) is trying to convince us that fundamentalists are taking over the government because the Conservative party is in power and prime minister Stephen Harper happens to be an evangelical. It's a laughable and obvious smear tactic, aimed at scaring people into voting Liberal. The reality is that the Conservative Party of Canada is firmly centrist, as it always has been. (We're quite a bit to the left of the Republican Party, actually.) Listening to the CBC and the Star, however, you'd think we were on the verge of some kind of dystopian theocracy.</p>

<p>Ah, the games that liberals play...

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<p>Disagree</p>

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<p>liberals and conservatives both play games</p>

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<p>^ very true. Don't state that only one plays games when it's very clear that both do it equally.</p>

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<p>^agree</p>

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<p>LOL@the Canadian liberal media. The CBC has a centre left slant no doubt about that, but it's far from militant as you claim. The television media in Canada is quite balanced I find because CanWest and CTV news provide nice competition to CBC but neither of them are able to touch it in terms of documentary quality. CBC Toronto is pretty staunchly Liberal, but Newsworld is very much a mirror of the BBC. </p>

<p>Second, you're such a stereotypical Torontonian if you believe that the Toronto Star represents the views of the newspaper media in Canada. The Toronto Star is the most widely read newspaper in Canada because it serves:</p>

<p>a) The largest city
b) The most populous section of the Golden Horseshoe (Toronto plus it's cultureless "exburbs" like Mississauga)
c) The other Toronto daily is a complete joke (Toronto Sun) of a paper and the only reason it still exists is because Quebecor uses the Sun dailies to fund its seperatist papers in Quebec. </p>

<p>If you actually took the time to venture outside the city of Toronto, you'd find that the publications like Globe and Mail and the Walrus are much more accurate representations of the Canadian national media, right in the centre occasionally shifting one way or the other during different eras. The National Post and Western Standard play to more big C conservatives and all of these publications are available in every major city. In most major Canadian cities you actually have more right leaning papers then left leaning ones.</p>

<p>Montreal - La Presse is centre left that opposes Quebec Sovereignty, Le Devoir is an independently owned paper (only one in Canada that operates in a major city) has in recent years been pro-Quebec sovereignty and for social democracy. Finally the Gazette, the only English paper, is owned by CanWest and espouse a lot of Progressive Conservative views.</p>

<p>Ottawa - Ottawa Sun, right wing tabloid. Ottawa Citizen, liberal despite being owned by CanWest.</p>

<p>Calgary - Herald and Sun, both right wing, the only major difference is that the Herald is actually worth reading and unlike the Sun makes an honest effort to be objective.</p>

<p>Edmonton - The Sun and the Journal. As usual, the Sun is a right wing tabloid, the Journal is owned by CanWest, I haven't read it enough to make a real judgement but the one time I did it wasn't bad, centre right.</p>

<p>Vancouver - An absolute joke, of the four dailies available to the city, THREE are owned by CanWest Global (National Post, Province and Sun) and all have strong, almost blatant right wing biases at times.</p>

<p>Final Count: 9 conservative papers, 10 in you include the National Post, and 5 (Globe and Mail included and that's quite a stretch because they went on record supporting Harper in the last election) left leaning to hard left papers, two of which are French only so their reach in quite limited in Canada. Yet despite this, the major population centres in Canada save for Calgary have voted in favour Liberal or NDP in every election in this country except for the last one when both Edmonton and Calgary were swept by the Conservatives.</p>

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