<p>You can always check the college admission profile.</p>
<p>[First</a> Year Class Profile (Class of 2016) :: Washington and Lee University](<a href=“http://www.wlu.edu/x50200.xml]First”>http://www.wlu.edu/x50200.xml)</p>
<p>WL accepted 1163 students last year. 479/1163 enrolled. Let’s assume they have 200 finalists. (1163-200)/1163 = 82.8%. 82.8% students accepted last year were not Johnson finalists.</p>
<p>Just a note when you are calculating admissions odds, a percentage of the class was already accepted for ED and EDII so there are only 1/2 or so of the slots left. I think W&L is a very hard admit regular decision; a few years ago my son was accepted at many fine schools (currently at an Ivy) but was waitlisted from W&L.</p>
<p>We did find that alumni from IVYs were very friendly. They took alumni interview very seriously. We are excited about the schools after the interviews. We had a very different feeling about the WL alumni interview. It was very obvious that WL has a very different alumni.</p>
<p>I think I can clear things up because the numbers are not complete in all of the above.</p>
<p>They accept about 235 Early Decision. That is about 50% of a class.</p>
<p>I think about 200 people are invited to the Johnson Competition. About 180 attend (I know I was one).</p>
<p>Take out the ED students from the total accepted and the RD number accepted is about 910.</p>
<p>Johnson’s are about 180 of the 910. Unless you do something wrong while there you are already in. They offer about 90 Johnson’s. The school’s enrollment yield on them is about 40. Another 25+ invited Johnson’s get partial financial aid scholarships and enroll.</p>
<p>Anyhow, for Regular Decision they take about 730 to fill the sots that remain after ED and the Johnson’s. They place about 2000 on the Wait List and take between 90 and 100 every year from it. It’s tough but not impossilbe.</p>
<p>^^The only thing I question is that there is no reason ED students can’t also be invited to Johnson weekend.</p>
<p>True, so I wonder how many ED students attend the Johnson weekend?</p>
<p>I have read the scholarships are given 1/2 to merit + aid and 1/2 to merit only, while others seem to have discounted that. Anyone know the answer?</p>
<p>W&L will never admit that 50% of the Johnson scholarships go to kids that need it for fin aid anyway. That would detract from the prestige of the scholarship. But as others have noted, that is how it seems to work. By giving 1/2 the scholarships to kids with need, it reduces the burden on financial aid that is otherwise given in the admit process. I suspect that the granting of the Johnsons is done per a contract that Mr. Johnson negotiated with the university, and that he very much wanted the money to go for kids with great academics to increase the prestige of W&L. Of course, all this is speculation, and no one will know for sure unless someone from inside the W&L administration will spill the beans.</p>
<p>But the kids admitted with the Johnson who have need are very good students, right? I think someone said they heard if from a trustee that the awards are split so I can believe that. If you just took all the finalists, though, without regard to finances, probably half have need and half don’t so even if it is “contrived” maybe it is about what would happen anyway?</p>
<p>Everyone who is a finalist is a VERY good student and is VERY qualified. The question that cannot be answered is were there some kids who got the nod because of their fin status over some kids who might have been more deserving. Also, were some kids selected because of geography? race? ethnicity? they play the flute? etc. etc.</p>
<p>We do know that there are students who were turned down with extremely impressive academic credentials (2300+SAT). We know there are finalists with lower scores. This is what happens with any holistic process. Subjective factors are taken into account; W&L says students are selected based on academics and leadership/service. But there are no guidelines or criteria for leadership/service. So no one knows, or will ever know, really who was selected and why (except for the people on the committee, of course). And there is no appeals process.</p>
<p>Bury. A couple of ED accepts are asked up every year.</p>
<p>Johnyenglish. What did you mean the W&L alumni interviewers were different? Where did you interview?</p>
<p>Has any intl students been invited to W&L campus? If there has, do you get any emails before receiving a FedEx?</p>
<p>Sensible111, I don’t want to complain on a public message board. IVY alumni are friendly and professional.</p>
<p>Of the interviews my daughter had for various schools, her W&L alum interview was by far the best. He took 2 1/2 hours out of his day at his upscale law firm to talk with her. She was beaming when she came out of the office. She had a so-so Georgetown alum interview. This alum had just returned from a business trip to Asia the night before and was obviously tired/jet-lagged. I don’t think you can make an evaluation of any school’s alumni, based on talking to just one person on a given day. On another day, that Georgetown alum was probably great to talk to.</p>
<p>Is it bad if I never alumni interviewed? I don’t know why I didn’t after I applied. I don’t believe I was ever contacted… I didn’t even realize it was part of the application. I’m a finalist, but will they bring this up in March?</p>
<p>Has anyone received a rejection letter? I know that I’m not a finalist but i would have thought that i would have received some form of notification by now as to my application</p>
<p>My son has not received any form of notification yet either. I imagine that the little envelope with the form letter stating that he is not a Johnson finalist will be in the mail any day now. We are still holding on to hope that he will be accepted to W&L regular decision.</p>
<p>Luna…</p>
<p>Do not worry. My DD received a Johnson last year and had not had an interview before the Johnson weekend. You will be on equal footing.</p>
<p>Congrats.</p>
<p>luna - alumni interview is an alternative to interview by admissions, so either/or. If you interviewed with someone at school you are fine. D didn’t interview with anyone at school.</p>
<p>D interviewed with local alumni who was extremely professional, kind and enthusiastic about the school and D’s desire to attend.</p>
<p>lunaAndAberforth, if you’re a finalist, the lack of an alum interview obviously didn’t hurt you. You’re past that stage now. I remember my daughter’s interviewer told her that his letter was due by early January, before Johnson finalist decisions were made. My daughter hadn’t even visited campus before the finalist weekend, and that didn’t hurt her!</p>
<p>I was a finalist. Once I saw who enrolled with a Johnson it seemed that they were looking for students who add something to the texture of the school. I was a very high stat candidate with lots of leadership but too plain vanilla I think. Texture was more important than being a super student and leader. Some of the kids I met while there had SAT’s around 1400. Several of them won and enrolled. Texture included Jewish, gay, lesbian, minority and whatever else you could add for that. Plain vanilla students won and enrolled as well. If you fit that category it is possible but I think the competition is really steep. They told us that the average SAT of those invited is about 1510. What I saw for enrolled Johnson is probably in the high 1400’s. So, if you are worried about being asked up for the interview because you have lower stats, don’t. The politics of the interviews even that out.</p>