<p>Without intending disrespect to anyone who posted here, I really doubt that reading this discussion of Juilliard has resulted in any significant change in readers’ preexisting views, positive or negative, about Juilliard, elite music conservatories and festivals, the classical music performance field, etc. </p>
<p>I had thought (hoped) that after violadad’s nice summary, this thread had run its course! </p>
<p>I agree with stradmom, nothing to see here.</p>
<p>I’ll third that! Enough!!!</p>
<p>I’ll fourth that … at the risk of being accused of trying to shut the OP up.</p>
<p>it’s ridiculous to say that students can “buy their way into” Juilliard by attending a summer program at Aspen, Bowdoin, etc. The bulk of teachers there aren’t even from Juilliard. And teachers from rival schools are not particularly able or inclined to bribe Juilliard teachers…</p>
<p>The conventional wisdom concerning internet ■■■■■■ is that they grow in power when you “feed” them, so the best way to end this conversation would be for us to stop responding to Mystery99.</p>
<p>“it’s ridiculous to say that students can “buy their way into” Juilliard by attending a summer program at Aspen, Bowdoin, etc. The bulk of teachers there aren’t even from Juilliard. And teachers from rival schools are not particularly able or inclined to bribe Juilliard teachers”</p>
<p>I’ll take the current Aspen violin faculty from Juilliard and paste them here. This list doesn’t include Juilliard graduates who send their students to their friends on the faculty. Juilliard looks pretty well represented if you ask me (I could post other camps but I don’t have all day copy and pasting):
Earl Carlyss
Masao Kawasaki
Cho-Liang Lin (Half session I only)
Sylvia Rosenberg
Naoko Tanaka </p>
<p>Is Aaron Rosand an internet ■■■■■? Actually he’s one of the most successful professional violinists in the world and the head of the Curtis violin faculty. He was quoted saying this in an interview conducted by Classicalnet (I would give you the link but since that is against TOS here I can’t put the link in this discussion): </p>
<p>“I’m not knocking Juilliard, but Juilliard is a school that has more than 2,000 people in it. It’s like a college campus. You can buy your way in there. If you wanted to start studying at Juilliard you can pay your tuition and start taking lessons. You’re in.”</p>
<p>That quote is just a little misleading, no? When someone says that Juilliard has more than 2000 people, they are necessarily including the Evening division. The college division has fewer than 1000 students. It is absolutely true that anyone who can pay the tuition is able to register for a class in the Evening division. I am pretty sure that Mr. Rosand realizes this and that it is precisely the reason why he mentioned the number 2000 in that interview. He is having a little fun at the expense of a rival institution, not accusing them of accepting bribes, and he wants anyone who knows even a little bit about both schools to realize that. In fact, something very similar could be said about Curtis, because many private students can be seen carrying instruments up and down Locust Street on weekends and if you sit in their beautiful lobby for a while you will observe parents paying for lessons for their children. I should know, I did that myself for a couple of years.</p>
<p>Some of the folks you list at Aspen don’t even teach students there - Earl Carlyss, for one, coaches advanced chamber groups made up of students who are already in conservatories or preprofessional, as does Sylvia Rosenberg. You can’t simply cut and paste a list and think you have made a point. I do agree that Aspen costs too much and gives too few scholarships - though it’s a better deal than many other music programs - they talked of making it tuition free but opted instead for rebuilding the campus (and lost a lot of donor money in the financial debacle).</p>
<p>I believe Juilliard has its limitations and is perhaps overhyped - and there’s some NY provinciality involved as well, as there is in Boston for Harvard. But both Juilliard and Harvard are world-class institutions. No getting around it. Both may have let in some less than stellar students over time, for monetary or political reasons, but they have also been the schools attended by some leaders in the world of the arts and, as to Harvard, of the world itself. That’s the way it is. Still, they don’t fit all comers and many many talented students turn them down for other options for a variety of well-considered reasons.</p>
<p>As to this thread, there has been a modicum of interesting stuff, but it isn’t coming from the OP.</p>
<p>Speaking as someone who has no interest of any sort (promoting, bashing, attending, or otherwise) in Juilliard and who browses the forum often, but seldom posts, allow me to briefly address the earlier comment as to why this thread is generating so much attention: because it’s hilarious!</p>
<p>If I were to speculate on why folks continue to respond, I’d be tempted to guess that they placed a wager on the “over” regarding how many times the OP will repeat the same comments, and are now trying to influence the outcome. Or I could be wrong.</p>
<p>so now you’re questioning the responders to the OP? haha! Actually this thread has generated more hits than most - because it is entitled Juilliard.
I responded to the last point because I like Earl Carlyss and felt he was being unfairly maligned.</p>
<p>Fair enough, mamenyu, and I’m sure you’re probably right about the real reason for the high number of hits. I just couldn’t resist poking some fun at the repetition. I literally check in every few days just to update the count…</p>
<p>Ekh, I thought this thread was on the shelf. I am also sorry to see names make a reappearance. The scholar in me can’t bear to let mis-information pass: Sylvia Rosenberg does have a violin studio at Juilliard. And even if someone has a primary job description as chamber coach, instrumental study may be had with them. </p>
<p>I thought viola dad did an excellent job of wrapping up the wisdom to be gleaned from this discussion and I doubt anything could be added to his astute observations. Perhaps those points could be reposted?</p>
<p>“Some of the folks you list at Aspen don’t even teach students there - Earl Carlyss, for one, coaches advanced chamber groups made up of students who are already in conservatories or preprofessional, as does Sylvia Rosenberg.” </p>
<p>As Stringkeymom pointed out Sylvia Rosenberg <em>does</em> have a studio at Aspen.</p>
<p>“I believe Juilliard has its limitations and is perhaps overhyped - and there’s some NY provinciality involved as well, as there is in Boston for Harvard. But both Juilliard and Harvard are world-class institutions. No getting around it.”</p>
<p>I highly diagree with you. In order to be admitted to Harvard, one must get a minimum (low) score of around a 2100 on the SAT (even football players and legacies have to) and an applicant must have <em>tremendous</em> grades/extra curricular activities on his/her resume. Let’s just say you probably couldn’t get into Harvard with a 3.5 GPA and an 1800 SAT. Whereas at Juilliard, as demonstrated by my video examples, you <em>can</em> be admitted as a student (like Maestro Punch) or be on the faculty (like Professeur Kaplan) if you only play 20 percent of the notes in tune.</p>
<p>I hesitate to even respond…but since we are being picky here, I was referring to studios at Aspen not at Juilliard; mighta been wrong about Sylvia Rosenberg having a studio at Aspen…but on the other hand, she performs a lot there and seems perfectly qualified to teach in any capacity (same for Carlyss, but he does not have a private studio at Aspen). So, excusez-moi. But whatever.</p>
<p>To WindCloudUltra:
you seem to be one of the few on this thread referring to Juilliard’s composition faculty; I just got in with Adler via the Columba/Juilliard Exchange but am not sure whether to go for this program with no aid or go to USC’s composition program with full merit tuition. What do you think?</p>
<p>It appears that he is not answering questions in an attempt to clarify, but just to further accuse. Also, how much “credibility” can you put on someone who makes a forum name titled “Mystery,” where they’re afriad to reveal their identity? Not much if you ask me.</p>
<p>I am a little off topic here but hope someone will answer my question. Julliard advertises pre college programs for high school students on weekends. These are very expensive and time consuming programs. Does it help with college admissions ( I mean top college) if you plan to be a non music major and just want to show that you have diverse interests and talents?</p>
<p>First of all, how much time does the high school student in question spend on music lessons and practicing? The kids who audition into the Juilliard pre-college program are generally putting in a bare minimum of twenty hours per week and in many cases a good bit more between their Saturdays, their lessons and their practicing. If the objective is diversity, that seems to be a lot of time spent on a single activity. If anything, it would demonstrate a deep interest in one area.</p>
<p>Note that being the proverbial bright well-rounded kid does not seem to be the way to get into the most selective colleges these days. Showing passion in one area may be the better way to go, but you should know that there are lots of very talented kids competing for spots in that program and someone who is trying to do several other activities will be at a disadvantage when auditioning. The web site for the program states that it is intended specifically for those who show potential of pursuing a career in music.</p>
<p>In short, this is not an extracurricular activity so much as it is a way of life.</p>
<p>Our friend’s D did the pre-college program (vocal) for 2 years and was not accepted.</p>
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<p>I agree with BassDad. For many, participation in a high level pre-college program like Juilliard’s or that ilk is continued preparation and training for an undergrad music pursuit, not just the accumulation of a potential data point on an application.</p>
<p>A prior thread here <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/817484-msm-juilliard-mannes-pre-college.html?highlight=juilliard[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/817484-msm-juilliard-mannes-pre-college.html?highlight=juilliard</a> with additional links that might shed a bit of additional light on these programs.</p>
<p>And if you are concerned about the potential of a music EC at a “top” college, you might want to take a read through this <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/738525-how-strong-music-ec.html?highlight=music[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/738525-how-strong-music-ec.html?highlight=music</a></p>