June 2006 - Latin

<p>How did it go for you all? I didn't find it terribly difficult, but there were a few tricky parts (like the third passage...). What did you think was difficult?</p>

<p>If you think you bombed, relax. I'm pretty sure you can lose about 5 points for an 800 and 15 for a 700... That and it was four choice.</p>

<p>How many Americans do Latin?</p>

<p>it wasnt too bad...i just remember really wierd answer patterns (which always always gets to me)
no harder than the national latin exam although im not really a fan of " which of these changse it the least" questions</p>

<p>With this one, we should have all 13 tests listed for discussion.</p>

<p>What level of the NLE does the Latin SAT II reflect?</p>

<p>None of them, really...</p>

<p>The SAT II is extremely grammar intensive. While the NLE levels 5-6 are the most grammar intensive, they are not nearly as detailed as the SATII. I suppose the SATII incorporates different elements of different levels, the derivatives of the easy NLEs, the passage reading of the 5-6 level, etc. There is no culture.</p>

<p>Its more on the level of the AP exams...</p>

<p>ya i thought derivatives were really easy...grammar wasnt that difficult
some subjuntctive stuff so you def need to take this after atleast 2 yrs of latin
translation though was easier than the AP passages...they give you a decent amount of vocab and everything else is fairly recognizeable.....also some of the questions feed of others so if you cant answer one question theres a good likelihood than a later question will reveal the answer (esp in passage based questions)....if you catch what im saying</p>

<p>does anyone at all know how the latin curve works?</p>

<p>Look like I won't take it then....2 years of Latin, and I'm not that solid with my grammar.</p>

<p>Sydo (and future test takers) - My strategy for the passages is to look for the translation questions, do them first, and then once i have a sense of the meaning of the passages (bc the translations are practically giveaways, usually the tense/something else reveals one clear answer), i answer the more specific grammar questions.</p>

<p>the prose passages were surprisingly easy -- way easier than the practice exams i have taken</p>

<p>i will be taking latin in december...did anyone here use the REA good for prep...was it good?</p>

<p>yeah passages actually weren't too bad. sydo, I agree with the weird answer patterns. I was like... o_O</p>

<p>hey. i just took the sat subject test in latin and thought it was fairly easy. i think i got anywhere from a 780 to an 800. I've taken three years of Latin: latin 1, latin ii honors, and latin iii advanced this year which covered all 512 lines of book 1 of vergil's aeneid. i got a 36 summa cum laude (very disappointed but oh well) on the nle this year in the latin poetry iii-iv and a 38 summa cum laude on the nle latin ii exam last year. there are only two other kids in my entire school that took the exam so i don't have much feedback to quench my curiousity for how other people felt about the exam. and it also seems like the threads regarding the june latin subject test so far are few (only 1 that i found). So i though i would start are thread that addresses some aspects of the exam and each one of you by means of some questions...1) how many years of latin have you had, what courses have you taken, have you taken the nle this year( which one) and how do you think it compares? 2) On a scale of 1-10 how difficult would you rank this test? 3) how many questions did you leave blank and what were they? 4) bring up any difficult/impossible/or questions you were unsure of and wish to know what other people put while putting ur answer also.</p>

<p>Here I go...</p>

<p>i already told you about my experience...</p>

<p>i thought the test was about a 4 or 5 in difficulty</p>

<p>i only left 1 blank...the scansion question...because i was really pressed for time and scansions generally take me longer than other questions</p>

<p>i wasn't sure about quite a few questions:</p>

<p>the derivation of pertinent: i put teneo</p>

<p>the derivation of remnant: really really sure i got wrong..i don't know what i was thinking but i put reminiscior..i think the answer was remaneo</p>

<p>one of the fill-ins where it was blank and then was followed by two ablatives consecutively...and the verb was like con-something...like a verb of talking...i put cum as the blank</p>

<p>one of the conditionals that was a fill-in: the blank was for the verb in the second clause...i put an imperfect subjunctive..because i believe in contrary-to-facts..which i believe it was...it either has two imperfect subjunctives or two pluperfect subjunctives...but i believe in rare cases there can be a mix...but since the first verb in the condition was an imperf. subj. i put another imp. subj.</p>

<p>the fill in that was in a sentence with licet...an impersonal verb which takes a dative of person..i believe this one was in the syntax substitution but i could be wrong...i just put the one that had the dative...like mihi..tibi..something like that...it was the first answer choice</p>

<p>the what does -que connect question in the first reading passage...i put that it connected two verbs one of which the -que was attached to...i believe it looked something like this: (verb x)-que eis (verb y)..im pretty sure eis was in btw the two ones i put -que connects</p>

<p>for the third passage the first question...i wasn't 100% sure i translated the ablative absolute correctly...don't really remember what i put or what it said (hopefully somebody else does)</p>

<p>the question that asked what tua modifies...i put the word for eloquence that was glossed and was in the next line</p>

<p>the question that asked what the antecedent of quam was...i put iram</p>

<p>the question that asked for a summary for the last line or two...i wasn't sure if the answer was the lawyer was making the judge angry/the judge was becoming angry or that he was soothing the judge's anger...but i put that he made the judge angry and i think that's right</p>

<p>and finally that question that asked something like how the lawyer felt about what he was doing...or about his defendant or something like that...i think the answer was in the line with the repetitions...like fleo and flere and another verb...</p>

<p>hopefully you remember some of these questions i'm unsure of and make posts about your own questions that hopefully i and others who took the test may answer...thanks for reading</p>

<p>Plus, if any of you wish to know how they will be grading this exam...here is some information...i happened to have a contact that both makes the latin subject test and is on the board of advisors...she told me that the raw score conversion scale that will be utilized for this test is the same as the one from the 1993 test...however i am unsure how the fact that there was 1 more question on this exam than on that one will effect the scale...i am going to e-mail her and find out...and i will inform you also...plus..if any of you would like a copy of the grading scale..simply post a request with your e-mail and i'll get it to you asap</p>

<p>I've taken latin I (6th grade) to AP Vergil (11th grade) and I just took it. I hate to admit it but it wasn't too easy, the practice I took, I thought, was a lot easier. I think I omitted 2 and I don't remember any very difficult questions, however, I did have trouble with the questions like "what is the implied subject of qui?" I can't stand those questions.</p>

<p>-freidymaster</p>

<p>yeh those questions are a kinda tricky and it is tough preparing for this subject test because there is practically no review for it. however i was able to obtain 3 past official subjects tests in latin from a member of the board that makes the exam...1 of which is in the real sat ii's book, and another two that are literally impossible to find...i also got that new rea latin book which is really really good...even though i didn't really use it that much...i did look through it a little bit and the sections were really good...and the first practice test was i thought even more challenging than some of the real tests i had seen. but yea...if ur taking the test again as a senior in december, i can give you those past subject tests i got...btw...do you remember any of the questions i mentioned that i wasn't sure about because they're killin' me lol</p>

<p>I have no clue about the questions. I didn't really have a chance to read all your questions but I put teneo also.</p>

<p>lets see
ive had 5 years of latin
7th / 8th = Latin I
9th = Latin II honors
10th = Latin III honors (prose_
11th = AP Latin Vergil</p>

<p>I didnt think it was too bad overall but well see how my score goes
I got the same answers for the derivatives and alot of the grammar questions
I wish though that I had taken this exam though at the end of sophomore year or even freshman -- Ive gotten better at translating but ive forgotten some of the finer points of grammar because you dont go over those caz you have to get the 1800 lines of Vergil out of the way</p>

<p>Overall I think I did fairly well (hopefully ???)</p>