<p>I'm a DA freshman and am trying to figure out what to take in the spring. I came in with credit for MATH-M119 and BUS-A201. Here is what I took this fall:</p>
<p>BUS-A100
BUS-X106
ECON-E201
PSY-P101
MATH-M118
HPER-P105</p>
<p>Where should I go from here? My adviser recommended BUS-K204, BUS-G202, ECON-E202, as well as taking two elective courses. Should I follow this route, or are there other courses I would be better off taking next semester? Thanks for the help, I appreciate it!</p>
<p>Since you were recommended for K204, I assume you are in Hutton Honors College, so you might take one of the HON H203 or HON H204 classes for your electives to help with your gpa. These classes count for the distribution option and grade easier than regular COAS classes. </p>
<p>Its good to get E202 out of the way early, too, in case you want to study overseas or do an internship after I-Core semester, as E202 is required to do overseas study through Kelley. If you are thinking about taking honors macro this semester be warned that Prof. Glomm is very, very tough, and about half of the students in his honors macroeconomics class wind up dropping. You probably don’t have enough credits to get into Peterson’s honor macro section before it fills up.</p>
<p>If you need a gpa boost, take X220, a two credit Kelley requirement where at least 90% get an A.</p>
<p>Definitely take K201/K204 (I still use the gradebook I made in that class and it helps me stay focused on classes/tells me which class I should work hardest in). </p>
<p>As bthomp1 already mentioned, X220 is a great GPA booster and easy class (75% of grade is based on attendance).</p>
<p>E370/A202 are hard (from what I hear), but you gotta take them sometime. The honors versions gives out better grades.</p>
<p>G202 was pretty easy, not sure about the honors version. </p>
<p>If you are majoring in accounting, taking A202 could help you take A311/A325/A329 (or A310/A324/A327 if you are a finance major) next fall. You would be ahead of the game and would have a step up when applying to the investment banking/investment management workshops.</p>
<p>Since you are an honors student, you will need to take I-Core during the first semester of your junior year. To do this, you have to complete all 15 of the I-Core prerequisites (or their honors equivalents) by the end of your sophomore year.</p>
<p>The fifteen I-Core prerequisites are:
BUS-X 220 Career Perspectives (2 units)
BUS-A 100 Basic Accounting Skills (1 unit)
BUS-A 201 Intro to Financial Accounting (3 units)
BUS-A 202 Intro to Managerial Accounting (3 units)
BUS-L 201 Legal Environment of Business (3 units)
ECON-E 201 Intro to Microeconomics (3 units)
ECON-E 370 Statistical Analysis (3 units)
ENG-W 131 Elementary Composition (3 units)
BUS-X 104 Business Presentations (3 units)
BUS-X 204 Business Communications (3 units)
MATH-M 118 Finite Mathematics (3 units)
MATH-M 119 Brief Survey of Calculus (or MATH-M 211 Calculus I) (3 units)
BUS-K 201 The Computer in Business (3 units)
BUS-X 201 Technology (3 units); and
BUS-G 202 Corporate Social Strategy (2 units)</p>
<p>Some of these have prerequisites—and some of the prerequisites you haven’t taken yet. For example, you need to take the ENG-W 131 class before BUS-X 204, and you need to take the BUS-K 201 class (or the honors equivalent, BUS-K 204) before you can take BUS-X 201. Also, some of these have their honors equivalent only offered in certain semesters—for example, BUS-A 202’s honors version (BUS-A 207) is only offered in the Fall semester. Also, BUS-L 201 can’t be taken until your sophomore year.</p>
<p>With all of this in mind, I suggest you take in the spring:
BUS-K 204 (honors) --3 units
ENG-W 131 –3 units
take the two 2 unit classes (which are 8 weeks long each)—
BUS-X 220; and
BUS-G 202
plus take two general education courses—3 units each (6 units total)</p>
<p>This will give you 16 units for the semester–and you will have completed the following I-Core prerequisites by the end of the Spring semester:</p>
<p>BUS-X 220 Career Perspectives (2 units)
BUS-A 100 Basic Accounting Skills (1 unit)
BUS-A 201 Intro to Financial Accounting (3 units)
ECON-E 201 Intro to Microeconomics (3 units)
ENG-W 131 Elementary Composition (3 units)
BUS-X 104 Business Presentations (3 units)
MATH-M 118 Finite Mathematics (3 units)
MATH-M 119 Brief Survey of Calculus (or MATH-M 211 Calculus I) (3 units)
BUS-K 201 The Computer in Business (3 units); and
BUS-G 202 Corporate Social Strategy (2 units)</p>
<p>leaving you only the following 5 I-Core prerequisites left to take;–none of which require you to take another course beforehand:</p>
<p>BUS-A 202 Intro to Managerial Accounting (3 units) or BUS-A 207 (honors version)
BUS-L 201 Legal Environment of Business (3 units)
ECON-E 370 Statistical Analysis (3 units)
BUS-X 204 Business Communications (3 units); and
BUS-X 201 Technology (3 units)</p>
<p>P.S. Take the BUS-A207 (honors) class in the Fall of next year. As maxcellis points out, the honors version is easier.</p>
<p>Excellent thread. Would it help the OP (and my D) to take any of the i-core prereqs over the summer, and if so which are best to avoid at IU? I remember from earlier posts that ECON 201 was tough at IU and therefore good to get out of the way over a summer. True?</p>
<p>I had E201 with Graf and thought it was pretty easy. I avoided A201/A202 at IU and took them at a different college over the summer.
Taking classes over the summer makes your class schedule during the year a lot easier.</p>
<p>My son doesn’t like accounting much (figures, since I’m a CPA)–and so he took BUS-A 201 during the summer. Good choice, since he got a C (which doesn’t count in his IU-B GPA). However, he also took the ECON-E 201 during the summer–and got an A–which also doesn’t count in his IU-B GPA (and therefore was not such a great choice).</p>
<p>P.S. Later on, he retook BUS-A 201 at a different university during the following year’s summer session just so he’d know accounting well enough before going into I-Core–and this time he did get an “A” (but no credit for any units, since he already took the course.) Also, during that summer he took a Philosophy class and got an “A”–which also doesn’t count on his IU-B GPA (but did count for the extra units he needed to graduate).</p>
<p>So what does all this mean?–I guess I’d say that your daughter should figure out which I-Core prerequisite or other required class would be toughest for her–(Accounting, Math, Econ, Philosophy, etc.) and then take this during the summer. But remember that if she goes on to graduate school, any school she applies to will want to see all of her transcripts–so taking something during the summer really doesn’t help her that much. It really only helps when putting down her IU-B GPA on the application for her first job, or when applying for IU-B continuing scholarships. (And it helps in that she can spend more time studying for the class, since she’ll have no other–or only 1 other class to study for.) </p>
<p>Note: I would say that your daughter should also take the class that she thinks she can do well at during the summer–that maybe she would have a tougher time with during the school year when taking lots of other classes. Examples of classes like this are ones that are heavy in analytics or in writing assignments such as Calculus, English Composition, and Accounting. Also take ones that IU-B is known or being tough in, but that are “easy” ones in other schools–especially at your local community college.</p>
<p>Lastly, realize that some classes require that the syllabus be submitted prior to even enrolling. My son’s first BUS-A 201 summer class was one of these. His syllabus qualified only because he took the class at a “high-level” university–the University of Virginia. I’m pretty sure that IU-B wouldn’t have approved the class as taught at the local community college (even though in my opinion the level of stuff taught was almost equal).</p>
<p>It’s hard to give advice on particular classes to take for Kelley students without knowing a number of things.
<p>With a class like A201 it can go a lot of ways.</p>
<p>If not a direct admit, you probably shouldn’t take it at all freshman year, as it is tough on gpa and you might do better in it if you have the added experience of being a sophomore. And if you apply for kelley as a freshman, but don’t get in, if you reapply sophomore year, it will look bad on your transcript if you take it in the summer at a cc;</p>
<p>ok for direct admits to take A201 at a cc in the summer; won’t work for Indiana kids and Ivy Tech, however, as it won’t transfer to IU;</p>
<p>if trying to get into Kelley honors, you probably don’t want to take A201 spring semester of freshman year, as it could hurt your gpa; exception is if you have enough hours to take A205 honors financial accounting, which grades easier but is more work than regular A201; but probably not possible to register for A205 your freshman year without bringing at least 15 credits to IU with you.</p>
<p>if you are in Hutton, you should probably take A205 (and A207) anytime you have enough hours to register for it, as the grading is easier and the classes are small and meet only twice a week;</p>
<p>if you are trying to get into investment banking workshop, and you might want to get A201 over with (and maybe A202, too) before starting sophomore year, so that you can take upper level accounting classes, as maxellis recommended. This would only apply to really talented and ambitious students, as only about sixty students each year get accepted;</p>
<p>if you have performance based scholarships, it makes sense to take hard grading classes in the summer at a cc, so that they won’t count on your IU gpa. Think in the long term here, trying to maintain as high a gpa as possible, keeping in mind that for Kelley students gpa’s tend to take a hit junior year for non-kelley honors students, as the regular I-Core gpa is only about 3.0 and upper level kelley classes taken after I-Core can be tough content and grading-wise, especially in accounting and finance. S has three different levels to meet for his scholarships ranging from 3.0 to 3.7 to keep all his current money coming in, so he is trying to keep gpa as high as possible for as long as possible;</p>
<p>and if your major is accounting or finance, I would be careful not to take A201 or A202 (unless you are really smart and have a lot of confidence) someplace that does not prepare you well for upper level accounting and finance classes at Kelley.</p>
<p>And a good reason for taking summer classes that apply to people who lack lots of AP or foreign language credits prior to getting to IU is that Kelley degrees take 124 hours minimum, and popular majors like accounting and finance take more. So with no credits coming in as a freshman, you would need to average about 16 credits per semester to graduate in four years. But taking 15-17 credits at IU a semester can be really stressful, not just for pre-Icore years but for the upper-level Kelley classes too. So summer cc classes can reduce your IU workload. Even twelve credits a semester of some difficult Kelley classes can keep you really busy, especially if you are trying to build your resume with EC’s.</p>
<p>Thank you for the thorough and excellent tips on taking courses over the summer. There’s clearly a lot to consider, and I’ll make sure my D has the info as she prepares to meet with her adviser and build her second semester schedule.</p>
<p>Great response, bthomp1. </p>
<p>I’m sure your detailed analysis will help Tulare and many others reading this thread.</p>
<p>My son plans to apply for admission to Kelley for Fall 2010.</p>
<p>This semester he’s taking Math 119, Eng W131, BUS K201, and a gen ed class [total 12 credits].
He has 7 credits [non-business courses] coming into IU.<br>
So, he should only need 12 credits for Spring semester to remain a full-time student and meet Kelley’s minimum # of credit hours for admission.</p>
<p>He’s considering the following classes for next semester and needs help determining which will be the best for his GPA … and if it matters which teachers to select [or avoid]. </p>
<p>He has a univ. div. counselor, can’t get into see a walk-in Kelley advisor until after the 20th, and would like to register before then.</p>
<p>Any suggestions?</p>
<p>Math 118
Bus X201/202 or Econ E/S201
Bus X100 or Bus G100 [either could be used as a 4th class for admission … even though neither is required, could possibly help with 4 course admission GPA … if not, no harm done?]
Tele T160 [or Psy-P101, Soc-S100, Clas-C205)</p>