Lessons learned: admission to a top 25 ranked university for a "well-rounded" student

My son started the admissions process aiming for a school ranked in the top 25 of national universities. He had a 3.6 unweighted GPA, which put him in the bottom half of accepted students at most schools ranked at this level. Additionally, because his school does not weight grades, he was ranked in the top third of his class. He had a 2130 SAT, which put him in the 50th to 75th percentile of accepted students at most schools in which he was interested. His high school curriculum consisted mostly of honors courses, with 6 academic courses in each of his first three years and 5 academic courses in his senior year. All but two of his courses were honors, dual-enrollment with a local university, or AP (7 APs in total, 3 prior to senior year). He played an intramural sport for three years, had work experience, and held office in three clubs while an active member of four others. He had volunteer service at his school and two week-long service trips, one with a church group and one with an independent organization. His activities started in 9th grade and he continuously participated in them through high school.

While we were extremely proud of him, his achievements appeared to pale in comparison to other applicants who took more courses and APs, completed research in high school, and engaged in more time-consuming extra-curricular activities such as varsity sports and band. We encouraged him to apply to schools that were ranked in the top 100 of national universities and to look closely at the opportunities he would have at each school, regardless of its prestige, as we were pretty sure that a top 25 ranked university was out of his reach.

In the end, he was accepted to the top 25 ranked university to which he applied and he is going there this Fall. He did not get accepted to the other highly ranked school he really liked. He was not chosen for a prestigious scholarship at another school after having gotten into the final selection round. But he had many good choices among the schools to which he was admitted.

For what its worth, this process taught him there is such a thing as holistic admissions. It also taught him that the essay is crucial. DS spent months on his essay, resulting in nearly a dozen revisions. In the end, his main essay told a great story of how, even though he had engaged in seemingly disparate activities in high school, these activities fit together in that they furthered his passion for service in his local community. He also spent quite a long time on the short essay questions that are on many applications.

The other main lesson learned is that recommendations really matter. DS was able to cultivate personal relationships with several of his teachers, two of whom it appears wrote excellent recommendations for him. We didn’t see these, but based on the number of schools and scholarship programs to which he was accepted, my guess is that they were outstanding.

Would the process have gone more smoothly if he had studied harder for the SAT, worked more on his homework than on his extra-curricular activities, or focused on fewer activities? Should he have taken 10 APs instead of 7, taken fewer study halls, and engaged in research or in a national competition while in high school? Sure! But then he wouldn’t have been our son.

Good luck to all of you with sons and daughters who may not have done everything perfectly through high school, but who have the smarts and the heart to pursue their passions. Admissions is a sometimes grueling, nerve-wracking process. I hope you can find the positives in it along the way.

The lesson I learned is that my younger child will be better off applying to state schools with good honors programs than stressing over applying to top 25 schools.

Therefore, this go around we will just be applying to a just a few state schools offering almost fully paid scholarships for NMF and skipping private schools altogether.

There are a number of state schools in that top 20-40 national universities range.

My younger son with a similar profile (except lopsided scores that put him into the the top 75% for CR and bottom 25% for M) had a fairly similar experience. He wrote very good essays, had great recommendations his GPA was all over the place depending on what courses you counted. He had about the same number of APs and okay ECs. If it’s going to stress your kid to aim high, or you think college will be too stressful if he gets in, by all means play it safer. For my kid being pushed to work in college was a very good thing.

When it comes to DD15, we have learned a lot. She will prep for the PSAT, the kids here don’t even take it their Junior year. I will also have her prep for the SAT & ACT, which my son did not do. She is an incredible writer and has won a number of local competitions, so she will excell in essays, where DS did not. However, we are going to have to go after huge merit awards, which will greatly limit her choices.

I am encouraging her to look at engineering fields as most people just assume she will go to an LAC. She doesn’t love math but does well in it, so I want her to explore all possibilities.

Kudos to the OP for posting this. There is far too much hysteria about outcomes (and predicting those). I will add that one of the students I counseled recently had same UW gpa as OP’s son and similar effort put into essays but much lower scores (300-400 points lower). Still, she got accepted to a mid-level campus of a well-ranked public. Family regards it as a “major disappointment.” Ridiculous. It was a major win.

I’m really glad to see this. I am so tired on the “focus on one or two activities” thing. High school should be about exploring different activities. I don’t think a HS student involved in lots of things is shallow, likely he or she has a lot of different interests and is taking advantage of the opportunity to try something new… Good for your S, OP.

Not to be too argumentative, but how do you know what did or didn’t play a role in his acceptance to a top 25 school? So he put a lot of effort into the essay and you think he had good LOR’s, but no one knows why he got admitted to wherever he got admitted. It’s a leap to talk about how holistic the admission process is. All you know is that he got admitted, but you don’t know why.

Re #7: we were in a similar place, not knowing precisely why DS got into his school. Since his GPA was slightly low, and his scores slightly high, we can only guess that it was his essays and LORs.

What stuck in my mind from last year’s round was that Adcomms get it right (ie, agree with my assessments :slight_smile: ) a stunning percentage of the time. Of the 40+ kids I knew relatively well, there was only one decision that I think wasn’t wise (although the development office might disagree). Kids I knew to be academically less strong than they appeared “on paper” were not accepted at their reaches, and v.v. I am impressed with how well the process works, overall, for the majority of kids.


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I'm really glad to see this. I am so tired on the "focus on one or two activities" thing. High school should be about exploring different activities. I don't think a HS student involved in lots of things is shallow, likely he or she has a lot of different interests and is taking advantage of the opportunity to try something new.. Good for your S, OP.<<<

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Yes, but that is not exactly the message. The OP talks about SEEMINGLY different activities that all related to the same passion. Talked about working hard to present compelling essays. That is different from engaging in various activities or joining a bunch of little HS clubs just because and not excelling in any.

In the end one can have a lot of activities but still need to show excellence and dedication in a couple. Of course, this applies mostly to schools that rely on holistic reviews. Plenty of public schools rely on a simpler system where paint by the numbers application are rewarded.

@IxnayBob – Your experience and take on things are similar to mine. Throughout the application/decision process with S14 we were repeatedly told that the vast majority of the time kids end up where they’re supposed to be, and that we should trust the process (something that was not easy for me to do). It not only worked out for us, as S14 was admitted to a school that was a bit of a reach, and that one would not have predicted (based on numbers alone) was going to accept him. And it turned out to be a very very good ‘fit’. Moreover, for virtually all the kids that we knew well the adcomms got it right. The only exceptions were the kids who got in through some demographic ‘hook’, like the totally banal kid (also unremarkable from an academic standpoint) who got into an HYP school. We’re guessing that it was because he/she was a transsexual who claims to be part Native-American.

I had one kids that had a lot of activities that were somewhat related (school Science Olympiad, and Academic Team - both he was the math/science guy), out of school all sorts of comp sci stuff. Younger son did a bit of everything (school was Sci Olympiad, Orchestra and Literary Magazine), outside of school played with origami, volunteered with the Neighborhood Assocation doing a history project. They both had fine results. Both had a story to tell. Older son was “I am a computer nerd”, younger son was “I have a lot of varied interests, but if you dig deep I have a lot of creativity and interest in history.”

Maybe a child just has a lot of interests and wants to try new things.

I totally get that a child may have several inter related activities centering on a passion. D spent much of her HS years in her dance studio and on the competition team. Her school activities were - Dance Team , school musical (dance captain) and one season of cheer. There was clearly a theme there.

S on the other hand has a ton of diverse interests. He was not into sports, but attended a HS with literally hundreds of activities. He tried several in the arts, writing, service groups, academic teams and others. Eventually he found a few that he stuck with, but even then they were sometimes activities that he did not try until junior year. I guess his “just because” was just because he was a teen who was open minded and interested in exploring new things. I knew full well that colleges like to see “passion”, but I was not willing to push him to build a resume in that way if he was not interested.

I am just saying that a child can have a passion as a teen…or not. Both of mine attended their first choice schools.

@FallGirl, one of mine was passionate about trying different things. It wasn’t a problem.

Starting a new activity in high school and hoping to excel in it is pipe dreams. The time to explore different activities is in junior school with the guidance and mentoring of well-intentioned adults. High School is way too late to start pretty much anything.

^ I never mentioned “excelling” at something. And FWIW I can tell you lots of stories of people who started activities in HS (or beyond) and ended up doing pretty darn well at them.

One has to look at the context of the discussion. In general, there is absolutely nothing wrong being a busy bee sniffing at many different type of flowers. There is a lot of merit about being open minded and use those years to explore various things. Yet, when the context of the discussion veers into what “works” for college applications --as the OP shared-- it is a different ball games. We might not like it but it’s a pretty well established fact that what worked rather well a few decades ago has been replaced by a system that rewards angular kids who are able to show a combination of dedication and excellence. In so many words, that is just the opposite of what has been dubbed a “serial club joiner” and I would push the envelope further by stating that MOST HS activities in the “club” genre turn into mere “activities” fillers on the common application that do NOT get any traction with adcoms.

People here have discussed various activities with a theme, and one such theme could very well be to be a very curious and astute student who can draw compelling conclusions from his or her curiosity in many subjects. It does, however, require quite a talent to pull that off! The reality is that most end up with a lackluster application that reeks of Lake Wobegon.

But again it all depends on the context. The context of CC is usually one that digs deep into the “top” schools that might be for some top LACs, for others the Ivy League schools. for others the schools that come just after Berkeley and Michigan on the noted USNews list. All the realm is still a far cry from the overall landscape of graduating seniors. Most will end up at one of the first 3 choices and will be admitted through an evaluation that pays little attention to the subjects that consume the typical CCer.

There is a very large world for students who do a minimum of activities, do not shine spectacularly, and earn average grades. That is why we have several thousands colleges. CC deals with a small fraction of them.

@Fallgirl, What’s the point in doing something if you don’t excel in it? I am sure there are exceptions but success remains 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration. It takes 10,000 hours of practice to master anything.

@xiggi – You nailed it. After going through this with two kids (and being a bit of a junkie about all this) I’m often asked by other parents what is it that they need to know. I tell them that the biggest change since they applied to college is that selective schools are no longer looking for ‘well-rounded’ students, but are looking for kids who have a passion, with an added bonus if that kid can demonstrate some sort of achievement in pursuit of that passion.

@MSDhoni – Two posts, and you’ve already shown you’re an idiot.

Wow. That’s a depressing outlook on life. No one can ever learn anything new - they’re stuck forever doing those activities they did in junior high school? I’m glad my kids didn’t think that way. Granted it’s difficult to break into most (but not all) sports if you don’t start before high school, but there are may other activities that can be picked up along the way. D never studied photography until junior year of high school, and ended up photo editor for the yearbook and won a gold and several silver keys in Scholastic photography competitions. My kids were never exposed to Model UN until high school and both have won multiple awards. Neither ever ran cross-country until high school but both were on state championship teams.

Sometimes people do things solely for enjoyment. D did long jump. She was never very good at it, but enjoyed it, and actually turned out to be a decent coach to the younger girls even though she didn’t excel in the sport.