<p>Heard that liberty was cancelled this weekend for the plebe class as there been some individuals who have recently violated some academy regs etc. Could be a tough weekend. Could this delay class recognition for 2010?</p>
<p>yea a couple class ones where given out...</p>
<p>if by class ones you mean they were given 3 mandatory work outs and a one page paper then you're correct. and the recognition of 2010 is a hoax. i'm not holding my breath anymore for it...</p>
<p>no for cheating on like tests and drinking... other things also happened that weekend...</p>
<p>GySgt was not happy monday morning...</p>
<p>Wow,,sounds bad. A few bad apples spoil the batch again. What happened to the honor code??</p>
<p>19 AIR FORCE CADETS ADMIT TO CHEATING - Class of 2010 </p>
<p>(Knowledge Test - preparing for their Recognition )</p>
<p>Hot off the press today:</p>
<p>Lessons learned??</p>
<p>Why cadets would cheat on such a simple test wasn’t clear Wednesday. It wasn’t a highstakes classroom exam, only a weekly multiple-choice quiz. Questions included basic knowledge about military aircraft, academy command structure and Air Force uniform insignia. </p>
<p>“This is about basic military stuff they are supposed to know,” Whitaker said. </p>
<p>It is designed to prepare freshmen for the spring rite of recognition, which leads to full membership in the cadet wing. Whitaker said any cadets who failed the quiz only face remedial study. </p>
<p>Part of required knowledge for freshmen is the meaning and application of the school’s honor code. </p>
<p>“The fact that they made this choice, knowing full well from the first day what the consequences are, that they still choose to do this is very disturbing,” Whitaker said. “Our mission is to create officers of integrity and character. It all begins with the honor code.” </p>
<p>The event came to light when it was reported by fellow cadets. Whitaker said the fact that the cheating was reported by cadets is at least one positive sign. </p>
<p>The cheating incident is similar to a 2004 incident that led to discipline — from probation to expulsion — for 19 freshmen when they cheated on a military knowledge test. </p>
<p>The new wrinkle on the latest incident is the use of the Internet and instant messaging. Whitaker said the academy is examining how cadets use the school’s government computer network to determine how to prevent similar incidents.</p>
<p>I hear 2010 won't be recognized until 2012....</p>
<p>JRH, the class of 2010 at the USAFA or USMMA or both?</p>
<p>ha - the way things are going both...</p>
<p>Just read the article! Wow....I defer back to my question on 2/7 before this all came to light........What happened to the honor code? It seems to me that the hard work and the entire process to get into an academy is to much to throw away by a simple, stupid act like cheating.</p>
<p>i'll just quote a good friend of mine...
"if you're not cheating, you're not trying." hahaha
no not really. there's a lot of things that fall into the grey area, sometimes it's hard to see the line between cheating and not cheating.</p>
<p>is2day - I'm having a hard time envisioning a scenario where it would be difficult to know the line between cheating and not cheating. I understand that there are honor situations where the line may be grey - but on this one, I can't envision it. Either you know the answer or you don't. If you don't know the answer and your answer is from a source other than a guess of your own making, then it's probably cheating. If I'm missing something please let me know. I have no idea how these tests are administerd or anything so I could just not see the whole picture. But it seems to me that one would know when they were cheating and when they were not.</p>
<p>well, as i said, the article doesn't say how they were cheating. now, looking over someone else's shoulder, that's pretty blatent. but if someone has a "good study guide" that turns out to be a stolen test, in which case it's not always those involved's fault. but either way, sucks to be them.</p>
<p>I see where you're coming from Momofhopeful. Things should be black & white but sometimes at the academy, the line gets confusing sometimes. You may end up with a "pony"- a study thing a higher up gives you & then you find out you're not supposed to have it. Or in a case last year that I would love to put all the details out here but don't feel I can because its not my story to tell, of some kids that were discussing a test question that they didn't understand in the same room the test was being given & were turned in for "cheating". They don't think they were in the wrong & when I was told the whole story, I felt it was a grey area. Then again, I wasn't there... Wish I could share more on it. My point is that the kids are still learning the ins & outs of the whole process. Sometimes the lessons are hard ones. I feel very fortunate that my kid hasn't been involved in any of these types of issues. I can see where it could easliy happen. Now if a Prof. has a test of the guy sitting in seat 1 that is exactly like the guy sitting in seat 2.... Well theres a devil of a problem.</p>
<p>This is an insightful post made by redhead89 (AFA class of 2011) on the AFA forum about the recent academy cheating incident. Something for the mid, the newby or wanabe to any academy to think about:</p>
<p>"It's too bad that 4,000+ cadets have to have their privileges restricted because of the dishonorable behavior of a small percentage of 4 digs, but in truth, it's the military. You're a team. In the real world, when a commissioned officer makes a poor decision, it could mean that the rest of his command goes down with him.</p>
<p>It's too bad that a few cadets can tarnish the reputation of the whole, but this doesn't affect my excitement about USAFA. I don't think this incident is representative at all of the majority of cadets who want to lead and serve our country with integrity and honor. It's a good reminder, like RTBdad and G4C said, for all of us 2011ers to make sure we're holding ourselves to the same standard the Academy will, even now before we get there."</p>
<p>Very insightful. Its a shame this happened at AFA but it doesn't make me think less of an academy education. The system isn't perfect & the desperation of a few kids won't take down the core of what the academies are. </p>
<p>What may seem grey to me in the few incidents I'm aware of at KP, I have to knock myself alittle & say its the academy that deems if things are unacceptable or not. I'm good with that. But wow I wish kids wouldn't open themselves up to it. Honor violations are some kind of serious. I gotta get outta here. I feel yucky about all this. Its friday! I'm gonna go shake this off!</p>
<p>is2day and Jamzmom - good examples - I couldn't think like that but now I see that it can be a grey area! </p>
<p>Would upper class really hand out a prep sheet that the kid isn't supposed to have? That sounds like setting them up for an honor violation (I guess the upperclassman may not known it was not allowed?.....) Hope when my D makes her way next year she isn't in such a situation! Another thing for the prayer list - discernment (for her, all new cadets, cadre and all those trying to figure this all out!!). </p>
<p>Thanks for the input - you gave me food for thought and perhaps a new way to look at such things.</p>
<p>hopeful, you'll learn about the pony system soon enough, i wouldn't worry about it just yet. but definitely pray for discernment, it's never a bad thing to have.</p>
<p>Can't & shouldn't comment much on the ponies except to say that they've saved a few lives. They are so needed & it would be a shame to break that system. It seems to work well. Its truly not cheating. Its study material passed from the older kids to the younger ones. Above board. My bad. I should have perhaps used a different example.</p>