life after UMich?

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<p>so this question may be completely ridiculous and there may be no answer, but I'll give it a shot as this whole process is driving me completely insane. </p>

<p>So I'm looking at UMich very seriously, but I'm also thinking long-term (i.e. grad school). What are some common grad schools that UMich graduates attend? I've been investigating Harvard, Yale, you know, the usual suspects. Are big names like that possible from UMich? Does it happen often?</p>

<p>Ok, so I know there may not be definite answers to these questions, but I'm looking to put myself in the best position for the future. Any help would be amazing! (I'm lookin' at you Alexandre! You always seem to be able to pull amazing stats out of thin air. Looking for you to pull a rabbit out of your hat, if possible)</p>

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<p>Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Columbia, Cornell, Duke, Stanford... you name it, Michigan grads can go there, and have gone there. It's all a matter of what you make of your time here.</p>

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<p>What's difficult about your question is that the "big names" differ according to what you want to study. There are some graduate fields for which Harvard and Yale would not be the most prestigious admit a grad could obtain. For example, you might hear a Michigan grad is attending U of Iowa and think "So what?".... but Iowa is one of the TOP schools for creative writing. Or University of Cincinnati...it may not be on your radar screen, but if the MI grad is there for architecture, you'd be smart to be impressed because that's a top school for that.</p>

<p>A lot of students at Michigan do aspire to go on for advanced degrees, and all indicators are that they are pretty successful. Students complain about perceived grade deflation at U-M and worry that this makes grad admission tougher. In some majors it may be harder than others to develop relationships with faculty for access to good advice and good recommendations, too. But on the plus side, Michigan has a good reputation among graduate programs, and there are many opportunities for students to get experience doing research and other things that help with grad admissions.</p>

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<p>First of all, keep in mind that lots of top graduate schools don't admit very many students. I know for places like Harvard/Princeton/MIT in math, they probably never accept more than 15 people in a year. So it would be pretty infeasible for a large percentage of people at a large school like Michigan to be getting in to these top programs (esp. if you consider that you're compared to peers at your school in the admissions process). </p>

<p>However, if you are one of the top students, all of the top schools are definitely accessible. From the people who completed the theoretical intro math sequence that graduated last year, they're going to Princeton for math (#1), Princeton for econ (#4), Harvard for econ (#4), Berkeley for geosci (#4?), Columbia for math (#9), NYU for applied math (#1), UIUC for condensed matter (#1), Purdue for math (#28), and one is going to work for Microsoft. Some people I've known from the past few years that finished the sequence have gone to do grad school for math at Harvard (#1), Stanford (#2), Penn State (#28), Chicago (#6), Cornell (#13) and one went to work for Google.</p>

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<p>Generally speaking, Michigan undergrads are among the 10-15 most represented in top graduate programs. Do not forget that Michigan itself has a top 5 Law School, a top 5 MBA program, a top 5 Engineering graduate school and a top 10 Medical School. Furthermore, almost all of Michigan's PhD programs (including Anthropology, Econ, Geology, History, Math, Political Science, Psychology and Sociology) are ranked among the top 10 in the nation. Many of Michigan's undergrads chose not to leave Ann Arbor. </p>

<p>But beyond Michigan, every year, students enroll into other, just-as-good, top-ranked, graduate programs. There are, unfortunately, no exact figures I can give you. I know that three years ago, Wharton's MBA class had 15 Wolverines. Only 6 or 7 other schools were better represented. I also know that Michigan is one of the 10 most highly represented at Harvard Business School (historically, not just in one year). Annually, Michigan enrolls 50 or so undergrads into its own Medical school. That's out of 350 Medical school-bound students and alums. That's a very significant percentage going to a top 10 Medical School. Even if only 20 other students go to other top 10 Medical school, you are already talking about 20% of the class going to top 10 Medical Schools.</p>

<p>Law school numbers are actually well documented. Each year, anywhere from 100-150 students enroll into N14 Law schools. That's well over 10% of Law School-Bound students enrolling into top 10 Law schools. Another 100-150 or so enroll into Law schools ranked in the top 30. </p>

<p>Last year, the following number of students were admitted and enrolled into the following N14 Law schools:</p>

<p>Columbia University Law School = 22 admitted, 6 enrolled
Cornell University Law School = 22 admitted, 3 enrolled
Duke University Law School = 28 admitted, 0 enrolled
Georgetown University Law School = 39 admitted, 13 enrolled
Harvard University Law School = 17 admitted, 14 enrolled
New York University Law School = 25 admitted, 5 enrolled
Northwestern University Law School = 23 admitted, 7 enrolled
Stanford University Law School = 6 admitted, 1 enrolled
University of California-Berkeley (Boalt Hall) = 12 admitted, 4 enrolled
University of Chicago Law School = 17 admitted, 3 enrolled
University of Michigan Law School = 91 admitted, 46 enrolled
University of Pennsylvania Law School = 13 admitted, 2 enrolled
University of Virginia Law School = 25 admitted, 4 enrolled
Yale University Law School = 3 admitted, 2</p>

<p>TOTAL: 110 enrolled into N14 Law Schools</p>

<p>Also, many more enrolled into Law schools such as George Washington, UCLA, USC, UT-Austin and Vanderbilt, which are considered almost as good as the N14.</p>

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<p>I wish Michigan had such statistics for Medical School admissions and other graduate programs, but it doesn't. However, you can be sure that admissions statistics would be just as impresive. Like I said, Michigan is one of the 10 most represented schools among Harvard Business Schools and Wharton MBA alums. </p>

<p>By and large, I would say that roughly 15%-20% of Michigan students who apply to graduate schools end up enrolling into top 10 programs in their chosen fields. That's pretty impresive considering the size of the school.</p>

<p>So, in summary, your question isn't ridiculous, but at the same time, there is no exact answer. However, one thing is certain. A Michigan diploma will be given the highest consideration (on par with other elite, top-ranked universities). Top graduate schools and the most exclusive recruiters will take Michigan students very seriously. Beyond that, it all depends on the individual to make the most of her/his education.</p>

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<p>I just found this yesterday on Wayne State Med school's website: there are 108 Michigan grads at Wayne State's Medical School...number of wayne state university students in the medical school: 29. Like everyone's been saying, Michigan grads are extremely prepared for top grad schools!</p>

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<p>It seems that you are misunderstanding that statistic. 108 students from UMich ended up at Wayne State's medical school, but thats because 387 applied from UMich alone. </p>

<p>Only 29 WSU undergrads are at Wayne's med school, but only 137 applied. That means that 28% of students who applied from UMich ended up attending WSU, and 21% of students who applied from Wayne ended up there as well... although there is a slight slant in UMich's favor, it is nowhere near as skewed as you make it out to be. </p>

<p>Also, this only takes into account students who were both accepted and decided to attend, it does not take into account students who were accepted and decided to attend another med school.</p>

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<p>It would be interesting to see the percentage accepted.</p>

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<p>Percentage accepted is usually 1.5x or less than the number of people who attend, at least at most medical schools. Med schools slots are few and far in between, so few people have the opportunity to turn down an acceptance.</p>

<p>I'm new to these forums, and I'm noticing that lot of people are negative when it comes to Wayne State... why is that? it doesn't make sense to me.</p>

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<p>Jackgnikc, I am willing to bet that a far greater percentage of students admitted into Wayne State Medical from Wayne State undergrad will attend than students admitted into Wayne State Medical from Michigan undergrad. Most Michigan students who apply to Wayne State do so as a "safer" choice. Of course, getting into any medical school is never easy, so it would not be considered a safety.</p>

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<p>You're right, it would not, in any way shape or form, be considered a safety. I know several people accepted at Michigan Med and not accepted at Wayne, med school admissions are often based on the concept of "fit". This year's MCAT average was as high as 33. Applications to medical school jumped by thousands, and so an acceptance at WSU was very difficult to come by, as it was at most other medical schools. The number accepted and number to matriculate is fairly steady, I know dozens of kids at Wayne accepted elsewhere who went elsewhere, and I know similar numbers from Michigan, although that is anecdotal. So I disagree, it is not a "far greater" percentage, it would be 1.5x 28% at Michigan, and 1.5x 21% from Wayne State.</p>

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<p>You are probably right Jackgnikc. Medical schools, unlike MBA programs and Law schools, do not care where one went for undergrad. But I would still like to see the complete picture.</p>

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<p>I should've looked at the chart more carefully, thanks for the clarification Jackgnikc.</p>

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<p>sure thing, sorry I might have come off a bit strong.</p>