<p>One in three isn't bad.</p>
<p>I'm sorry, but I'm not as ****ed off about it as you are, Tupac. Yes, I understand that Harvard is an academic institution, but did you ever wonder why THESE certain CCers didn't get in? I'm not saying that the "Personal" side of the equation is necessarily much heavier than the "Academic" side. All I'm saying is that someone with strong academics who rubs admissions the wrong way deserves to be deferred and even ultimately rejected. You're statements are filled with such hasty generalizations and absolute assertions. It's a shame people are too blinded by SAT scores and national recognition! Did you ever stop to consider those who are poorer than most applicants who cannot afford private SAT prep courses or the sponsor/mentorship of a renowned Laboratory or Research Group to help them. Such students still do everything within their means to succeed! And such success may look cr@ppy to people like you on CC, but in reality, it's worth a lot more than the success of people who have naturally always had opportunities. It's all about context, and I honestly don't believe that you, me, or anyone else on this thread can rightly judge someone based on their "stats." You don't know the background on any specific person unless you've been that person! Harvard's admission system meticullously seeks to get to know every candidate in the fullest context possible. Shame on you for bashing some deserving CCers and shame on you also for raising certain other CCers up on a pedestal. If Harvard knew half of what goes on here on CC, they would likely accept many less applicants!</p>
<p>... <em>sigh</em> Does anyone else agree with anything I've said so far?</p>
<p>tupac u my friend have a lot of thigns to get <strong><em>ed at. idk about guitar, zogoto, but if my memory serves me right spydnertennis was realyl arrogant. And yes Harvard is an academic institution, but in every field basic personality shines through. Have u heard of an *</em></strong>** winning the nobel prize. Sure there might be some crazy geniuses but most of those people r really nice people who don't have to brag about their accomplishments. Academics is only half the equation. You can have national recognition but that doesn't mean that u will be more successful in ur field. Scientists by the way or any professionals r people and they r most likely to get turned off by arrogant people. DOn't u get turned off by arrogance? THe same applies to everyone whether it is a noble laureate or a Harvard adcom.</p>
<p>tl;dr.</p>
<p>(Just joking...)</p>
<p>imiracle911, I agree wholeheartedly. You said what I was hoping to say in a little less space ;) Thanks! At least someone agrees :)</p>
<p>But doolittle, do you really think that Harvard is any more capable than us to judge these applicants. That is simply naive. The application process is only superficial (1 essay and a 30 min. interview with 1 alum)and the adcom cannot really get to know the applicants. What if the alum interviewer is a prick? What if a really kind person with strong academic skills doesn't have much experience with writing?</p>
<p>Therefore they should judge based on what they do know: stats and EC's.</p>
<p>And national recognition does attest to one's ability to succeed in the real world. It requires not only academic ability, but initiative, strong communication skills, and the ability to think quickly.</p>
<p>BTW, I most likely would not have got into Harvard without my arrogance. The best people in every field are arrogant (Donald Trump, Tom Cruise, Nobel Laureates whom I met at ISEF's, Tupac, Myself....) =P</p>
<p>Doolittle...It's a prefectly natural reaction to wonder why you didn't get in somewhere and try to figure out what you can do to get in. If anything I recall guitarman as being humble in the weeks after his deferral, and when others told him he definitely should have gotten in he reminded them of the crapshoot nature of the process. If anything, your recent attacks seem a lot more unfriendly than anything else going on at the moment. I say everyone stops arguing and we all learn to get along. That's another important quality.</p>
<p>Yes, tupac, academic success should undoubtedly be a school's primary reason for admitting a student. Are you implying that I did not succeed academically? Besides the fact that I didn't get a perfect score on my SAT's, what more do you want from me? I am ranked first in a competitive class of 325, my GPA quite literally could not be higher, and I have taken and recieved 5's on the same AP tests that the rest of you have taken. Are you referring to my stats when you say that they are "far, far lower" than those of others?</p>
<p>APDoolittle isn't saying that people should be admitted based on how nice they are. He is simply stating, and rightfully so, that academic success should be accompanied by a certain level of modesty and humility. Self-confidence is an important and enviable quality yes, but arrogance is not. I am all for the positive concepts of self-confidence and pride, and I personally am a self-confident individual. But the term arrogance has a negative connotation for a reason. No school, including Harvard, wants to admit a class full of arrogant people. They want people who are academically successful and driven, yes, but they also want people who will be compassionate and use that intelligence to benefit the world around them and the people in it. Arrogant people are coined as such because they are only interested in the effect of their success on themselves. Arrogance is not an esteemable quality and the fact that you think it is shows a serious misjudgement on your part.</p>
<p>And with this post, I am not referring to any of the individuals that you listed as arrogant. I've never spoken to spyderman or zygote, but I am sure that they are great people and deserving of their success. I have had the privelege of speaking with GuitarManARS, who was one of the few CC'ers to congratulate me on my letter and from what I can see, a very intelligent person.</p>
<p>Let's end this madness of who should get in and who shouldn't and just be happy for each other. After all, we are not on the admissions committees of Harvard, Yale, Stanford, etc. and it is not up to us to decide who should get accepted/deferred/rejected. All we can do is live with their decisions and react to them as mature individuals. I'm sorry that what's his face with the 2400 and national recognition got rejected, but no amount of whining/complaining is going to change that.</p>
<p>wow u got in? Congrats! You must have had a damn good essay!</p>
<p>My arrogance caused me to write about Tupac for my essay. How do you like them apples? ;P</p>
<p>Hey, I also got a likely letter from Harvard today. I can't believe it. I'm not a student-athlete either. Maybe I'm dreaming. You think? So, if I get a B for my final grade in Physics, do you think they'll put me on probation? Or does "maintaining your current academic and personal standards" mean just don't fail out??</p>
<p>I need support from my potentially-future classmates...</p>
<p>Ok, from now on, no more whining, complaining, attacks, no! We really ought to comport ourselves as the mature young adults that we are (or ought to be).</p>
<p>I guess, to change the subject, I have a question:</p>
<p>I was deffered EA, but is it still too late to send Harvard a letter reaffirming my interest? I read in some books that it's better to hold off until March (before Ivies even look at their deferred pile). In addition to this letter, I would like to send them one more essay (which is actually MUCH stronger than my EA essays - in fact I was accepted to some schools and I received feedback that my essay was a MAJOR contributor). Should I send them this essay and maybe one more recommendation? How much is too much? Please shed some light on this for me. Remember, I'm inviting positive feedback. If, while you were reading my post, you thought of negative things to post back, DON'T. It won't be tolerated by me or several other mature CCers. I do ask for your help if you are genuinely willing to give it - sans arrogance and condescension. :) Thanks.</p>
<p>P.S. Did those of you who already received likely lettlers send such info to Harvard right after (or soon after) you were deferred? I'm just curious b/c now I'm starting to wonder whether or not I've waited too long. Oh yeah, but my school hasn't sent the mid-year report yet since mid-year transcripts are just now becoming available. Did those of you who got likely letters also send your mid-year reports prior to receiving one?</p>
<p>i doubt it. I'm sending MIT and Columbia(i was deferred early for both) additional essays tomorrow or the day after. Besides, it wouldn't hurt if u sent it, b/c they'll either read it or not. Even if it's too late, sending is better than doing nothing. So just send it and hope for the best.
Btw Where did u get accepted to anyways?</p>
<p>Cool! This means I'm "in" with the likely elite ;)</p>
<p>Consensus: arrogance is bad. Attacking people for being arrogant is itself arrogant and is therefore bad. Evidence Federalists and Democratic-Republicans c. 1800; you need both brain and heart to work effectively. People who receive likely letters, presumably, work effectively. So congrats to savvy and saibondy for being both cool and smart, it's a privilege to know you.</p>
<p>Hey saibondy, I'm flailing around in Physics too. 93% in first semester, and that was pre-flip-out months.</p>
<p>Edit: Rats. I need to compose faster. Just insert the above before the previous two.</p>
<p>Now, re: the reaffirmation letter, I sent one last week because I read the committee began readings Feb. 1. But I'm a regular decision applicant. I sent my pleas to Yale in, like, December, so I wouldn't have to tack on extra postage :D If the content will not vary from now until March, I don't see any reason to wait, but if you expect something marvelous to happen I don't think it will hurt either.</p>
<p>Thanks for the advice imiracle911. I got into Stony Brook University (one of my safeties), NYU (a match), Amherst and Williams (match/reach..ish), and Princeton and Yale (both reaches). Harvard is still my #1 choice! Where did everyone else get in so far? And tkm256, nice summary of everything so far :D</p>
<p>wow. how did u already get in? likely letters from Amherst, Williams, Princeton, and Yale? OMG u must be amazing.</p>
<p>Well imiracle911, I guess you know the answer to that (as per our conversation on AIM). Good luck to everyone. Good night!</p>
<p>-Jon :)</p>
<p>I want a likely letter from ANYWHERE just to know im wanted.</p>
<p>PLEASE! I WANT 1!</p>
<p>Haha aww :) Well, I don't think you're asking the right people. And listen, whether you get one or not, it doesn't mean anything! If you're meant to go to a certain school, then you will go there, likely letter or not! LOL, why am I still on CC?! Good night :D</p>
<p>-Jon</p>
<p>stop saying that.</p>
<p>I wanna go to where I wanna go, whether im meant for it or not.</p>
<p>haha.</p>
<p>I dont care if it comes from one of my safeties, i just want 1</p>