<p>Virginia:
1. UVA/W&L
3. W&M
4. University of Richmond
5. Mary Washington
6. Virginia Tech
7. James Madison
8. George Mason
9. Virginia Commonwealth
10. Hollins (?)</p>
<p>New York:
1. Columbia/Cornell
3. Vassar
4. Colgate
5. NYU
6. Rochester
7. Barnard
8. RPI
9. CUNY Honors
10. SUNY - Binghamton</p>
<p>DC:
1. Georgetown
2. George Washington
3. Howard
4. American
5. Catholic
6. Gallaudet
7. UDC</p>
<p>I live in both...
Georgia:
1. Emory
2. Georgia Tech
3. University of Georgia (UGA)
4. Georgia State
5. Georgia Southern
...that's about it
The Savannah College of Art and Design is good too...</p>
<p>SCAD should probably be after UGA.</p>
<p>DC:
1. Georgetown
2. George Washington
3. Howard
4. American
5. Catholic
6. Gallaudet
7. UDC</p>
<p>No way American is behind Howard.</p>
<p>Dima has messed up rankings; W&L tied with UVA, are you ridiculous and Columbia tied with Cornell is ridiculous.</p>
<p>Maximus, I think Northeastern is <em>just</em> behind BU (albeit, nipping at its heels).</p>
<p>while i agree that is ridiculous to rank LAC's in the same list with national universities, the W&L's academics no doubt rival that of UVA as the best in the state in virginia.</p>
<ol>
<li>Middlebury</li>
<li>Bennington</li>
<li>UVM</li>
<li>Marlboro</li>
</ol>
<p>Not sure actually about the order of 3 and 4, I keep switching them</p>
<p>Here's just one example of how LACs are not being overrated -- and may be underrated against better known schools on the "natl universities" lists (based on USNWR data 2006):</p>
<p>% students w/ 700+ SATI scores:
UVA V35.6%, M40.9%
W&M V42.0%, M32.0%
W&L V43%, M48%</p>
<p>25%-75% SATI range:
UVA 1230-1430
W&M 1250-1440
W&L 1310-1450</p>
<p>% of students in top 10% of high school class:
UVA 84%
W&M 81%
W&L 86%</p>
<p>Avg high school GPA:
UVA 4.0
W&M 4.0
W&L 4.0</p>
<p>% of applicants who are accepted:
UVA 39%
W&M 35%
W&L 30%</p>
<p>So why the differential in USNWR undergrad peer assessment scores?
UVA 4.3
W&M 3.8
W&L 3.8</p>
<p>Why the "overrated LAC" perception given these student profiles? I'm sure similar comparisons could be made in states other than VA.</p>
<p>Texas
1. Rice
2. UT-Austin
3. SMU
4. Trinity
5. A&M
6. Baylor
7. UT-Dallas
8. Texas Tech
9. TCU
10. North Texas</p>
<p>Louisiana</p>
<ol>
<li>Tulane</li>
<li>Loyola N.O.</li>
<li>LSU
4.Centenary
5._______</li>
</ol>
<p>Can anyone fill in the Louisiana blank?</p>
<p>UL-Lafayette?</p>
<p>Indiana
1. Notre Dame
2. Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology
3. Butler University
4. Purdue University
5. Indiana University</p>
<p>Esquette: You compared two state universities vs. a LAC. UVA/William and Mary have an obligation to the state to prefer a MAJORITY of their applicants over out of staters while Washington and Lee does not.</p>
<p>I dont' know if you live in Virginia but kids from the south can get in with 3.5's and 1200s if their demographics are right while northern virginians have it a lot harder. </p>
<p>Washington and Lee does not have to deal with such "state" matters.</p>
<p>Fair comment acceptedalready. Washington and Lee is private, while William & Mary and University of Virginia are public. </p>
<p>But I still contend that these numbers support my point. I was responding to comments that characterized an even ranking of W&L and UVA as "ridiculous" and that accused LACs in general of being overrated against the national university schools in the same state/region. No matter how or why each school selects its students, the posted numbers do describe the actual student populations at each school. These are the kids in the seats, whether they come from in-state or out. I am not aware of any state school that argues it is entitled to a "handicap" in rankings or assessments simply because they accept more in-state students (just think what that might mean for a Cal-Stanford comparison, for example). Consequently these numbers provide an apples to apples basis for assessing whether the LAC (W&L) is "overrated" against the national public university cross-admit schools in the same state (UVA and W&M). </p>
<p>I submit that LACs are as likely to be underrated as overrated, often reflecting perceptions that are formed on the basis of incomplete information.</p>
<p>
[quote]
Dima has messed up rankings; W&L tied with UVA, are you ridiculous and Columbia tied with Cornell is ridiculous.
[/quote]
</p>
<p>WRONG - my rankings are not messed up. If you remove in-state students (specifically from Southern and Western VA) and recruited athletes and leave everyone else, I would give the nod to UVA. However when you factor in that UVA does have an obligation to in-state students and does have a Division I sports programs which leads to lower standards for recruited athletes, W&L is at least as selective and strong as UVA. Furthermore, if you start looking at things like graduate placement, where graduates of the two schools end up, W&L very much has the advantage. It is very hard to compare apples to oranges (public schools to private LACs) and thats why I decided to have the two share the top ranking.</p>
<p>As for Columbia and Cornell, no those schools are not equal. However, when you compare them to the other NY schools, they are far above the rest and their relative differences are much smaller than the differences between them and the lower ranked schools as well as between the lower ranked schools. That is why I chose to place them together, not because I believe that they are equal.</p>
<p>Another try at florida</p>
<ol>
<li>University of florida</li>
<li>UNiversity of miami
3.florida State university</li>
<li>New college of florida
5.University of central florida
6.University of south florida</li>
<li>Florida international
8.florida atlantic
9.Embry riddle
10.North florida university</li>
</ol>
<p>honorable mentions,
nova
floida a and m,</p>
<p>Most people are neglecting Rollins College which is probably between UF and Miami...Is there a reason for this?</p>
<p>Oklahoma Top 5 .... In my opinion</p>
<p>1) Oklahoma City University
2) University of Oklahoma
3) Oklahoma State University
4) Tulsa University
5) University of Central Oklahoma</p>
<p>
[quote]
Louisiana</p>
<ol>
<li>Tulane</li>
<li>Loyola N.O.</li>
<li>LSU
4.Centenary
5._______</li>
</ol>
<p>Can anyone fill in the Louisiana blank?
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</p>
<p>Xavier? Northwestern State? Grambling? SE Louisiana? UL-Monroe?</p>
<p>Take your pick, they're all pretty equal. . .though, I might rank Xavier 5th in that list.</p>
<p>isn't UCSD higher ranked that USC?</p>
<p>Ecliptica, you're not from down here are you? ;-)</p>
<p>I'll play at picking Louisiana, positions 5-10:</p>
<p>UL-Lafayette & Louisiana Tech would take positions 5 & 6, not sure about the order.</p>
<p>Slots 7-8, again not sure of order, would be LSU-Shreveport, UL-Monroe.</p>
<p>I don't know enough about the current state of Northwestern State, Louisiana College, McNeese, Nichols State (Harvard on the Bayou, if you never heard that funny line before), SE Louisiana, Xavier, LSU-NO (still closed? - might be in 7th or 8th place otherwise), or Southern to pick a #9 or #10. I think Pat Goins Beauty School fell out of the top 10 some time back, so let's don't go there.</p>
<p>In PA, Lafayette is certainly more highly regarded than F&M or certainly Muhlenberg. </p>
<p>The difference bewteen Columbia, Cornell, Colgate is not that great. Cornell & Colgate both have 27% acceptance rate with Cornell @ 1290-1480 SAT and Colgate 1280-1430. Columbia is certainly more difficult to get into than either of the CNY schools, but has benefitted from apps tripling in the last 15 years. As trends evolve and city schools decrease in popularity again and the current wave of demographics passes through, Columbia is going to be right behind NYU in a decline of demand. Ranking NYU and Bard in front of Vassar, Colgate, Hamilton, URochester seems to be way off-base to me. </p>
<p>As along as many common, objective factors are present, I think it is appropriate to compare nat univs and LACs.</p>