Looking for non-conceptual based Art School

<p>Skyline
you are my new-est BFF!!!
Only #10 was sort of a trick question (to me, anyway) heheheh</p>

<p>Looking at the Schuler school web site, it says their summer school is 6 weeks long (June 20 - July 29), and meets M-F from 9 to 4 each day. It costs $1200 -----wow, that’s cheap!</p>

<p>You’d have to find your own housing, but with Mica students needing summer sublets that shouldn’t be too hard. If Marie Walsh Sharpe doesn’t work out, you could look into it.</p>

<p>PAFA grad - no starving artist. People fly him all over to do their portraits. [Welcome</a> to the website of the artist Stephen Wood](<a href=“http://stephenwood.com/index.php]Welcome”>http://stephenwood.com/index.php) Chose the school for the classical training and affiliation with Univ of Penn.</p>

<p>heeyyyy G
let’s make fan club for this kid!! who wanna be in?</p>

<p>Hmm… do you think I could wait until late night tommorow? I mean, I really want to go to this, but letter of teacher reccomendation isn’t going to happen today, it’s a Sunday.</p>

<p>Can’t your dad write one? he is the teacher to you, more than anyone.
tell them that, the official school teacher one can follow the day after (for this teacher letter, if you can’t spend overnight money, send in priority with tracking. It should not be regular mail with flimsy stamp on it.)
it cost you 5, 6 bucks more but it shows your “wanting” better this way.</p>

<p>and check each instructor’s works and number your preference carefully, as long as your HS calender permits, skip school few days, if you are good student, skip final exams. I am not kidding, it really worth it.</p>

<p>Bears, I gave them all an A.</p>

<p>OP- you gave Picasso a D!</p>

<p>Bears, who are 7 and 9? And also what’s the joke about 10?</p>

<p>OP- I think this is what you are trying to say, “in art school speak”. Something along the lines of you prefer to hone your craft in a traditional way, and are drawn to more representational styles, and not particularly interested in abstract art.</p>

<p>I think since the original question was what kind of art school should you look at, here are my suggestions:
PAFA, MICA, VCU</p>

<p>But having said that, I think you are fooling yourself to dismiss the “artsy crap” that is insulting because “you could have done it yourself”. The thing is people say that, and it just not true. There are huge ideas behind what seems like minimalist approaches. You are too young to know this, and I only mean this very gently.</p>

<p>My son was less interested in conceptual schools because he wanted to hone his craft, so he didnt apply to SAIC. He did apply, and is attending Cooper Union, which seems to be very conceptual the foundation year. I think it has made him grow, and loosened him up.</p>

<p>Yeah, I think just because you don’t care for the conceptual stuff doesn’t mean you should just dismiss it and call it crap.</p>

<p>switters dear, I’ll tell you if only you are gonna join the fan club. hehehe.
nah
you do feel it even you don’t know who they are, yes?
that’s why I tried to find works I love but the sites that won’t say who they are. kind of mean and could not find everything that way, like, Picasso, duh!! I could have chosen works he might like better from blue or rose even when Picasso was real young, which is totally figurative tiny teeny pee in the pants tech work. but THAT^ is my most fav by Picasso and couldn’t have helped.</p>

<h1>7 is Antoni Tapies, not that well known but one of the biggest living artist in Spain. I liked some Japanese guy’s work alot without ever knowing he was knocking off Tapies all along.</h1>

<p>When I saw bunch of Tapies together at his foundation, I felt like hit by the lightning. Too bad US museums own few pieces here there. I am afraid they won’t mount next big show until he dies in 10 years or so.</p>

<h1>9 is, ahem, Basquiat. When he met “officially” Andy Warhol first time, Basquiat run back to his studio and painted this in few seconds ( ok, bit longer than that) brought back to where they have been still wet dripping paint and all. Warhol supposedly commented</h1>

<p>“wow you are faster than me!”
and was the beginning of their friendship that eventually fell out then ended in tragedy.</p>

<p>^ all these means nothing if they don’t move people. OP is not moved, or not yet.
I wouldn’t have liked any of these when I was in HS drilling on photocopy goody goody drawing for killer entrance exam.
I love the fact OP gave Piccaso “D” my regret is I did not propose “F” because I was just using letters to categorize them, wasn’t thinking as grades!! LOL</p>

<h1>10 is by Richard Prince, one of his (in) famous nurse paintings. I don’t get them at all, everything he does for that matter, but he is one of the Big-$$-o-three: Murakami, Hirst, and Koons. wait, that’s four. maybe kaelyn could explain what’s up with it, if he ever checks in again.</h1>

<p>now
where is GSH?
not back yet? </p>

<p>at Cooper, some seniors got show on second floor landing and six floor. they are like, goody goody painting with some twist.
did little switts liked them?
Anything -a-go once you are upperclassman, is what I have been hearing, then again, what do I know anymore…</p>

<p>are you done with MWS app packet, OP? could someone take it to fedex or what? hurry hurry!!!</p>

<p>^ wow giant post… yet another hijack. I be quiet now</p>

<p>Also, I think the first one is Cezanne. OP- please read up on him, he is considered the father of modern art. I think for him it is all about composition, and color, and he influenced kind of everyone coming after him. </p>

<p>when you look it the painting, it may seem simple at first, but there is a reason for all of it. Where is your eye drawn, why did he make the choices he did? What did he leave out and why?</p>

<p>Here is mine:

  1. A.
  2. A.
  3. A.
  4. D.
  5. D.
  6. C.
  7. D.
  8. C.
  9. D.
  10. C.</p>

<p>^Tigermom!! you gave D to Goya, Anselm Kiefer, Tapies, and Basquiat!!!
I suppose GSH’s categories are mote useful.

  1. art I would like to be doing
  2. art that leaves me in awe of the artists talent/vision
  3. art that I would want hanging in my house
    You might have meant
    D =not #3, for this Goya or Kiefer.
    no, I don’t want to hang them where I’d eat and sleep but sure they are my #2s</p>

<p>and yes, Switters.
I saw that Cezanne at the show few month back at MoMA and it was unfinished but did exactly what you said, to me. It is Mrs. Cezanne.
Her impression made me wanted to know more about them. I think smarty said something in somewhere, how she suffered and stuff.
Ooooohh
I lied. big post again!!</p>

<p>I love Goya, but that “Saturn devouring his children” is just hard to look at. Give us “the 5th of May” or whatever the title is for that guy in the white shirt, about to be shot…</p>

<p>Ok Ok moms
that is the Goya my kid wants to see. so there, I am totally biased</p>

<p>I don’t know Goya too well, but from what I have seen in my art history class, my favorite is his print, “The Sleep of Reason Produces Monsters.”</p>

<p>There is nothing on that list I don’t appreciate in some way. 2 bores me a bit because I get the home decor vibe from it and that always scares me but that is due to childhood trauma. My grandmother was the gold foil mirror, plastic on the couch type. Too many Italian style homes in the Bronx. </p>

<p>Anyway, to the original poster…I am curious as to why #3, 7, 9 insult you. At some art schools this would be a major focus of your education. You would be asked to look and explore the layers of meaning that come up in a work of art. Social, political, psychological, intellectual, spiritual. During crits with your teachers and peers this would be the kind of discussion that would be happening. This part of the reason why I feel art eduction is so important. Art is one of the best ways to enter into awakening to feelings and ideas. The fact that #3, 7 and 9 insult you is fascinating and rich. You could write an amazing college essay on the subject.</p>

<p>As for #10…good old Mr. Prince, check this out: [Richard</a> Prince loses copyright lawsuit; ordered to destroy paintings : Harriet Staff : Harriet the Blog : The Poetry Foundation](<a href=“http://www.poetryfoundation.org/harriet/2011/03/richard-prince-loses-copyright-lawsuit-ordered-to-destroy-paintings/]Richard”>Richard Prince loses copyright lawsuit; ordered… | Poetry Foundation)
Millions of dollars in paintings ordered destroyed because he is so friggin’ full of himself.</p>

<p>a little more on Prince lawsuit:
[Photographer</a> Sues Richard Prince - NYTimes.com](<a href=“http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/15/photographer-sues-richard-prince/]Photographer”>Photographer Sues Richard Prince - The New York Times)</p>

<p>[French</a> Photographer Patrick Cariou on His Copyright Suit Victory Against Richard Prince and Gagosian - ARTINFO.com](<a href=“Artinfo.com”>Artinfo.com)</p>

<p>OK…so I recognized a number of them but tried really hard to imagine having the piece in my living room for a year and which ones I would get tired of…quickly…not necessarily meaning that they are not interesting and spark ideas but (thinking from the OP’s perspective) which pieces are more likely for me to produce long term musings and just plain pleasure of looking at it for long periods of time…I surprised myself and realized that #8 was my hands down favorite. Much as I love Goya and I really like the one Bears linked to (as a parent of a teen girl it really stimulates some thought on my part)…I would vastly prefer some of the others. My least favorite is OP’s favorite…#2 which I would find boring after the initial enjoyment of the technique and lovely composition…oh, fruit again, I would think every day when I saw it…</p>

<p>My S wanted a conceptual school and I am often distressed by some of the things he comes up with…disturbing and sometimes silly. His first moving sculpture this year was a baby torso on a bike with a piece of ham …a concept that I found was gross/silly but the movement of the little plump baby legs on this Kinetic sculpture was charming and I couldn’t stop wheeling it and marveling at the way the headless thing was both endearing and repellent.<br>
Great art…unfortunately not…made me think twice about what I find cute/deformed/sweet/horrific…absolutely yes.</p>

<p>S thinks that it is a bit of a tradeoff going to a conceptual school…at least the first year he feels any refinement of his drawing or other skills has been through his interaction with other students rather than the teachers but the conceptual side of the curriculum has made him take some risks and do things outside of his comfort zone (and, in my opinion, is a pretty broad comfort zone). OP don’t give up on conceptual art as something valueless…it is the picante in the meal.</p>

<p>And Bears, you old dog. Is #8 Peter Doig? You did that to lure kaelyn back didn’t you?</p>