<p>I think being tall is overrated as an advantage. I'm 6"3, and height hasn't really helped me because I have pale skin and an uninteresting face.</p>
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Even though I'm 6'1, I still feel kind of short. I feel uncomfortable with my height for some reason and I feel that I need to be at least 6'3".I know it seems too much but I don't know. =/
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<p>I think everyone feels that way. I wish i were 6"5. I feel like I'm fairly tall, but not quite tall enough to be considered "really tall".</p>
<p>Russell7, that's fine with me, if we ever met, we would most likely mutually dislike each other because I'd much rather hang out with people who respect other people.</p>
<p>However, that comment was not directed at you, but at Lakrosse. Here he is, complaining about women and men who are unwilling to overlook the superficial, saying his situation is different from that of an overweight person because, unlike the overweight person, he (Lakrosse) has no control over his height. So what? Bottom line is, he's not the ideal, and it doesn't matter what has kept him from becoming the ideal. Isn't that the definition of superficiality? Judging based on outer appearance without concern for anything deeper (and that includes deeper reasons for why you look the way you look). If he doesn't want to date a "fat chick" because he's fit, why should a girl of average or above-average height go for him? </p>
<p>His attitude toward "fat chicks" and "ugly chicks" automatically positions him on the "more superficial" side of the spectrum, and probably attracts like-minded people. So why is he complaining that his inner beauty is being ignored by those around him?</p>
<p>adhezdan, I did not come here to bash "fat chicks," but to ask why height, something which does not affect what the face looks like, or can be controlled, is so socially damning against short men. Why does height have to do to men what weight does to girls? It seems like height makes people "inferior" not just in attractiveness, but socially as well in general for making friends. My face isn't ugly, per se, but average at best, according to some on this board who I have asked to rate me sans sugar coating. Weight also many times projects personality traits, such as laziness or sloth, whereas height reflects none of those traits, as those traits tend to correspond to boring and unfun people. Fat girls also tend to not try to look nice, and I do everything I can to look my best, which also reflects how one takes care of himself. Why is being short as a guy comparable to being fat as a girl?</p>
<p>Because it keeps you from being a "complete package." That's all. I doubt our subconscious minds go into a deep analysis of whether a certain characteristic is caused by genetics or the environment. If it's undesirable, then it's undesirable.</p>
<p>I find it interesting that you want to date an average/tall sized girl and don't seem to like short girls. you're 7.5 inches under average height, the male equivalent of a 4'8ish girl, but either on this thread or another, you stated you preferred taller women. so if you refuse to date women who aren't the ideal - very short, or plain looking, or not thin - then what makes you think average/above average women would want to date you?</p>
<p>in the end, it seems like no one is fully secure in their bodies...we all have something we want to change about ourselves. you're making it sound like as a short dude, you have all the odds stacked against you and the rest of us have it easy. no, we all have flaws, many worse than yours, we learn to work with them.</p>
<p>I never said a bad thing about short girls, Molly, and never said I "prefer taller women." If given the chance of a pretty girl from 4'11-5'3, I'd take it and run. However, I wouldn't turn down a girl who was much taller than me, as would most normal height men. I simply said I will not date fat or obese girls, by which I mean having massive bellies and logs as legs with double/triple chins, or manly girls who don't shave, or have boyish haircuts. She must have a feminine shape, tall or short, as I have a masculine shape, albeit a short one, which CAN STILL BE MASCULINE. Of course I have **** stacked against me when here, everyone is saying I won't achieve the goal of a pretty girl. I simply want to know why height is such a determinate social factor, as the vast majority of socially successful men are medium to taller height. Why do other guys take note of what other guys physically look like in making friends? Most short guys I see for some reason have it rough, and its almost as bad a racism sometimes it feels like. I will never surrender.</p>
<p>No one is saying you won't get a pretty girl, just not a really tall supermodel type...and just curious, would you date a girl shorter than 4'11, like in the 4'7-4'10 range? because i've seen/know girls around that size with guys much taller than you, so it's interesting that that's not in your range. I don't think most short guys have it that rough...I would imagine fat/ugly guys have it worse. you showed me your pic and you have a kind of athletic build and are average looking, so you have it better than the fat/ugly guys lol.</p>
<p>i don't wanna rain on anyone's midget parade but it looks like taller people are more confident, intelligent, and wealthy than short people. </p>
<p>I never really thought for guys to be short is sort of equivalent to females being obese.</p>
<p>Instead, I thought for a guy to be short is similar to a female being tall. And of course, that's not exactly equivalent, but there are a lot of similarities. I think the average height for a female is around 5'4" and for a male it's 5'9". So for a guy to be 5'2" is like for a female to be 5'11". I have never met a female who was 5'11" who was truly happy with her height. In fact, I haven't even met too many females who are around my height (5'8 1/2") who seem truly happy with their height either. However, there are ways to try to use it to your advantage - trying to make lemonade out of lemons, so to speak.</p>
<p>However, I do acknowledge that sometimes being tall gives can give females advantages in certain careers, in the business world, etc. whereas being short often does not give guys those career-related advantages.</p>
<p>People, stop saying that good looks will get hot girls and only good looks. that's ********. Good looking people are generally confident and it's the confidence that gets girls. I have seen way too many examples of not so good looking people with hot girlfriends because they got the confidence.</p>
<p>"However, I do acknowledge that sometimes being tall gives can give females advantages in certain careers, in the business world, etc. whereas being short often does not give guys those career-related advantages."</p>
<p>but midgets like weeman would never have gotten their jobs if they were normal size lol</p>
<p>how does it make sense to say that being short for a guy is like being tall for a girl? being short for a guy is like being short for a girl, only slightly worse for the guy. being tall for a guy is like being tall for a girl. being fat for a girl is like being fat for a guy, and vice-versa. being ugly for a gender is just like being ugly for the other gender. this short man = fat girl or short man = tall girl thing makes no sense to me.</p>
<p>what career advantages? I understand the confidence part, but it's not like business skills increase with added inches...</p>
<p>molly, girls that are taller than 5' 9" will have just as many insecurities as a guy that is 5' 2"</p>
<p>it doesn't matter if a girl is short but it definitely matters if she's really tall.</p>
<p>^ I disagree with that senor boombox...most women prefer to be average to slightly tall. Short girls are often insecure too, so saying it "doesn't matter" isn't really valid. It's not like women enjoy being short any more than men do. I'm shorter than the OP and wouldn't mind sprouting up a couple inches :) Look at models - they're all very tall, over 5'9. The feminine ideal is tall as well. It applies to both genders.</p>
<p>stargazer, there are not many guys who won't go out with a girl simply because she is slightly taller than 5 feet. But many many girls won't go out with, and some even talk to a guy my height. Boombox actually made an intelligent comment. Of course height matters far less for women, except in their own self consciousness.</p>
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<p>Replace "women" with "men" and it'll still hold true.</p>
<p>Lakrosse, I wish you would take your own advice, because I think what mcb52 says is true. Of course, people of both genders get teased for being too short/tall, so I can understand why people are self-conscious about it. I agree it's probably worse being a short guy so it's harder for you to get girls, but you can make up for that with your personality. Our prom king in HS was pretty hot, as well as an athlete, but he was also kind of short (like 5'4ish). Guess what, he had no problem getting girls, because he was such a great guy, the kind that cheers everyone up and makes them laugh. people naturally gravitate to those that make them feel good about themselves...if you're funny and friendly, that should be more than enough to make friends at your new college.</p>
<p>what stargazerlilies and mcb52 said are right. you might get crap for being short-ish, but personality trumphs all.</p>
<p>i know some good looking and tall guys, but they treat ppl with crap, so in the end, they lost the girls.</p>
<p>and I also want add that you could be less shallow about girls' appearance.....supermodels and skinny girls ususally do not make up the best girlfriends....</p>