"Love your race, support a white student's union"?

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"1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one’s own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. "</p>

<p>I’d think affirmative action fits under category 2. Whether it’s wrong or right, I won’t go into. But racist things can happen to whites."
Yes, racism can happen to whites, but that doesn’t equate to affirmative action being racist. Read you definition again. Category 2 refers back to the belief or policy from category 1. Affirmative action is not a policy based on the notion that blacks or other minorities are superior to whiles, or have the right to rule over whites. It is a policy meant ot mitigate the situations where historically whites have believed in their own superiority - a belief still held by many white supremacist groups.</p>

<p>Affirmative action is meant to mitigate a system where the way we measure achievement appears to be biased toward whites, or where whites have by virtue of their race enjoyed advantages. There are situations where this is no loger the case, and in those situations, AA should not apply, but there are other situations where the residual effects of racism still persist.</p>

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<p>I truly don’t see how the school could regulate clubs with no official university affiliation, nor should we wish schools to have the power to regulate our right to associate freely and peaceably assemble.</p>

<p>Going farther, most college clubs of all stripes, including political and religious ones, have official university affiliation which usually involves registration, some kind of fee, and needing to have a faculty sponsor. If the club is going to use university resources, such as classrooms for meeting space, then it makes sense for the university to have a say over what is an official club and what isn’t.</p>

<p>However, I don’t see how any university could permit a Black Student Union but forbid a White Student Union without the double standard staring everybody in the face. As long as both groups follow the usual anybody-is-allowed guidelines, I don’t see how a university could say “sorry, no WSU allowed on campus” without facing a lawsuit.</p>

<p>Part of the reason there is no WSU is because nobody really wants one. White people don’t see themselves as monoculture, but a lot (not all or even most) of black people do see all black Americans as a monoculture (this is, of course, highly inaccurate and the result of stupid things like “not black enough” or “acting white” accusations). Black African immigrants usually do not have this same mindset.</p>

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<p>Um, really? Do you feel the same way about religious clubs?</p>

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<p>Finally found the school name and and article.</p>

<p>[The</a> Towerlight Interest for White Student Union grows](<a href=“http://www.thetowerlight.com/2012/09/interest-for-white-student-union-grows/]The”>http://www.thetowerlight.com/2012/09/interest-for-white-student-union-grows/)</p>

<p>Btw the guy trying to push for this was the former ** President of Youth for Western Civilization** which was basically a Christian group that pushed for traditional values…hmmm…</p>

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<p>“traditional values”</p>

<p>■■■■■. What a phrase. ■■■■■. </p>

<p>Like “white people” all have the same values. I’m literally LOLing.</p>

<p>Oh, and it’s “traditional beliefs”, not traditional values. Which is even MORE hilarious. I’m sure those from Celtic societies believe the same as those from Austria-Hungary/Germanic places and so on.</p>

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<p>I don’t think it’s racist, I think it’s surprising . Why should there be a white students union( unless it’s for a cause maybe like a German union or Russian union) when 70% of the kids in college are Caucasian/European/Jewish(if you count them as “white”)</p>

<p>And the other 20% is Asian African or Hispanic, maybe Native American.</p>

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<p>It shouldn’t be about percents… Would it make sense to have a White Student Union and then act surprised about an Asian Student Union at Berkeley?</p>

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<p>I don’t see the point of it. The only reason I honestly see someone doing this would be because they want to make a statement or something. </p>

<p>With minorities, it just feels good to have somebody that looks like you. Most of my friends have always been something other than my race, but it does feel good to just hang out with people that look like you and have had similar life experiences with regards to race as you did. I don’t think I’m the type to ever actually join one, but I can see the appeal. If we’re talking about a certain country of people, like Russians getting together or something. That makes sense. They have their own culture and experiences, and making a club or whatever can help bring them together. But it just makes literally no sense in my mind to have a club or union for white people other than to just be snarky.</p>

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<p>Read this, an excerpt from Kali Tal’s article on reverse racism from dailykos. I didn’t feel like reading all the posts because they were getting ridiculous, but here we go.</p>

<p>"Prejudice is an irrational feeling of dislike for a person or group of persons, usually based on stereotype. Virtually everyone feels some sort of prejudice, whether it’s for an ethnic group, or for a religious group, or for a type of person like blondes or fat people or tall people. The important thing is they just don’t like them — in short, prejudice is a feeling, a belief. You can be prejudiced, but still be a fair person if you’re careful not to act on your irrational dislike.</p>

<p>Discrimination takes place the moment a person acts on prejudice. This describes those moments when one individual decides not to give another individual a job because of, say, their race or their religious orientation. Or even because of their looks (there’s a lot of hiring discrimination against “unattractive” women, for example). You can discriminate, individually, against any person or group, if you’re in a position of power over the person you want to discriminate against. White people can discriminate against black people, and black people can discriminate against white people if, for example, one is the interviewer and the other is the person being interviewed.</p>

<h2>Racism, however, describes patterns of discrimination that are institutionalized as “normal” throughout an entire culture. It’s based on an ideological belief that one “race” is somehow better than another “race”. It’s not one person discriminating at this point, but a whole population operating in a social structure that actually makes it difficult for a person not to discriminate."</h2>

<p>In this case, there’s no need for a white student union because there’s no need for white solidarity. Name a time when white people were ever oppressed, where white people were denied rights- and not just on an individual basis, but nationwide. That’s right, never. </p>

<p>Reverse racism is not a thing.</p>

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<p>I think the problem is that unless a race has something to bond over, a congregation just comes across as (and likely is) racist. For example, racial minorities can bond over the discrimination they have faced. Premeds can bond over their desire to go to medical school. White people can… get over themselves and realize that the United States is their white student’s union. A white student’s union would be like a “Not Premed society.” Its only purpose is to show your dislike of another group.</p>

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<p>It’s asinine; white people don’t have to deal with nearly the same level of crap, on average, nor do they have a history of being lynched, enslaved etc. There is no reason they need to go out of their way to embrace their whiteness, or act like they need a support group because of being white, when they’re catered to in their everyday existence. </p>

<p>Affirmative action, for those colleges that still use it, affects such a tiny number of people compared to # of apps that it’s not even worth debating. I don’t know if this student union idea is racist, but ignorant most definitely.</p>

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<p>@stellord321 - one of your premises is that not only have whites never been slaves, but they have been the primary oppressors and slave owners of blacks. </p>

<p>You are wrong on both counts.</p>

<p>For the first count,consider this [Hoffman</a> reveals: The Forgotten Slaves–Whites in Servitude](<a href=“http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html]Hoffman”>http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html)</p>

<p>Here is a small exerpt
"In George Sandys laws for Virginia, Whites were enslaved “forever.” The service of Whites bound to Berkeley’s Hundred was deemed “perpetual.” These accounts have been policed out of the much touted “standard reference works” such as Abbott Emerson Smith’s laughable whitewash, Colonists in Bondage.</p>

<p>I challenge any researcher to study 17th century colonial America, sifting the documents, the jargon and the statutes on both sides of the Atlantic and one will discover that White slavery was a far more extensive operation than Black enslavement. It is when we come to the 18th century that one begins to encounter more “servitude” on the basis of a contract of indenture. But even in that period there was kidnapping of Anglo-Saxons into slavery as well as convict slavery."</p>

<p>As to the second count-
Blacks were enslaved at a far higher clip by other blacks and especially by arabs. Whites only made up a small percentage of the black slave owners in the world. In fact, consider this – [When</a> Europeans Were Slaves: Research Suggests White Slavery Was Much More Common Than Previously Believed](<a href=“http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm]When”>http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/whtslav.htm)
whites were enslaved in large numbers by blacks</p>

<p>Whites are continually taught that all the problems of black and other minorities in america are due to racism and hate from whites when things like racial iq gaps are ignored
whites are taught to not appreciate their whiteness but that its other races to do the same
why? because we are taught whites are a morally bankrupt and corrupt race that should be ashamed of their ancestors and pander to ethnic minorities. western culture and history in general are looked at through backwards binoculars by the teaching institutions of america to make it seem so</p>

<p>facts like these should be explored but instead they are persecuted in modern america
this is why a white student union is needed
we need a place where we can consider the facts without being subject to ignorance and ad hominems</p>

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<p>IQ test results are laughable at best.</p>

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<p>There is no historical evidence to support that, and an overwhelming preponderance of historical evidence against it.</p>

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<p>First of all, we’re talking specifically about the United States. But even if we were talking about the entire world, that would still be untrue.</p>

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<p>No they weren’t. Not in the United States, and not anywhere else, either.</p>

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<p>No, we aren’t.</p>

<p>And people who still believe in racial IQ gaps exemplify one of the reasons that ethnic minority centers and unions still exist.</p>

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<p>juillet,
genocide and slavery of blacks by blacks exists to this very day in africa. perhaps we should shut down the black student unions using your logic. and the history of slavery in the united states from the time slaves were enslaved to the time the were sold in the americas…is literally not so black and white. victiomology my say so but history tells a very different story.</p>

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<p>Well, everyone has the right to free assembly, so I wouldn’t like it if the administration tried to ban this group or something. That said, I find this notion to be a combination of stupid and disturbing. A white student’s union is unnecessary and full of racist connotations.</p>

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<p>Zobro, what happens abroad shouldn’t really affect what happens here. That’s saying it poorly but in other words, an Asian Student Union would make little sense in a Chinese university, but would make sense here as they are minorities. Therefore, because Africans enslave Africans in Africa, it should have no bearing on African American student unions here.</p>

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<p>romanigypsyeyes, well nobody has owned slaves in united states in the last 150 (minus the Cherokee nation) so then black student unions should be closed. re read juillet’s post, which I was responding to. and black people did own slaves in america fyi.
anyway the whole argument is silly and people should go off to college to broaden there horizons not join in a group that pushes it’s members to isolate themselves.</p>

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<p>Yes because all the pain, scars, intolerance, racism went away 150 years ago. I’m just going to stop now because there’s no point in arguing this topic.</p>

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<p>All of you people talking about slavery and stuff… it’s really irrelevant…</p>

<p>Is it a little weird to have a white student union in a predominantly white campus? of course.</p>

<p>Is there probably some racists who would be a part of such a union. Probably.</p>

<p>Does that give ANYONE the means to deny their right to form to be proud of their race (even if you dont think white is a race)?
Nope.</p>