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<p>How is an event of oppression that placed one race over another a mere 150 years ago in your country not relevant?</p>
<p>Not to mention the ongoing pervasive legally-enforced oppression that continued until less than 50 years ago in many parts of the country.</p>
<p>Right? I don’t get certain people sometimes. The last public lynching was in the 80’s…</p>
<p>That will look awesome on the old resume. In a comepetitive job market, candidates need to stand out. The White Student Union stands out. Success awaits.</p>
<p>In my opinion, as long as they’re inclusive of all races like basically all multicultural clubs are at college, then I would say yes, they should be allowed. But it would probably be easier to be a true multicultural club (not this student union whatever) to celebrate cultural stuff.</p>
<p>i think people are just a little too paranoid nowadays not to mention way too politically correct. chill and let people do things yo. no one’s being harmed. if there’s racism, that should be punished regardless of who is committing the crime–black, white, yellow, purple, whatevs man.</p>
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<p>What about all the murders and rapes black commit against whites?
They do so at a much higher rate than white or asians<br>
Black are 8 times more likely to commit violent crime than whites</p>
<p>Or is it only bad when its white on black?</p>
<p>@nervusbreakdown multiculturalism is a fraud
all it requires of its proponents is for them to think favorably of other cultures
it is superficial and rests on the premise that all cultures are equal, which is not true</p>
<p>The thing with these “white pride” groups is that they’re never actually about celebrating european ancestry or whatever, in reality its just a bunch of closet racists. This thread should be a good enough example of that.</p>
<p>race realists is not the same as racists
one is a logical conclusion the other is an irrational emotion</p>
<p>the word racist today is meant to intimidate whites and is most often used when no actual racism is occurring</p>
<p>@Mike1213: I am now fully convinced that you are a real RACIST.</p>
<p>If you think the word “racist” is most often used when no real racism is occuring, you are both a racist and an ignoramus.</p>
<p>I feel like some people in this thread don’t understand the purpose of these clubs. Among other things, they’re a safe space for those coping with the racism and pressures from living in our white society. It’s not just about being proud or excluding others. It’s not just about getting together with people who look like you and eating popcorn. You’re making these arguments just to prove a point, but you’re overlooking why non-white students might need these spaces. They’re a haven, a place to talk freely about something that’s difficult to talk about, especially with so many people moronically claiming that they “don’t see race.” Do you ever feel like your voice is silenced because of your race? Do you ever feel unsafe because of your race? Do you ever struggle with institutionalized prejudice against your race? </p>
<p>You can have a European culture appreciation club–that’s fine. But when you make it a White Student Union, you’re seriously belittling and ignoring the struggles of PoC.</p>
<p>@Big10Champ really? Because I here liberals cry racism all the time to detract attention from the real argument. I’d love to go through every example of this but it would be too time consuming.</p>
<p>@greylady You act like as if racism and intolerance is such a large part of our society. Actually, it is an overblown phenomenon that is not nearly as bad as the media would make you think.<br>
But lets pretend it is. Why do immigrants stay/keep coming to america if our “white society” is so awful? My ancestors left Spain and Germany because of evil regimes and/or the horrible atmosphere of those societies.
Institutionalized racism today is mostly a fabrication of our media and rare occurences taken out of proportion. Unless of course you are talking about institutionalized racism against white/asians taking place in almost every major university in the country and countless large corporations. But its ok when its whites are being discriminated against in “white society”. </p>
<p>Also, to your point about people claiming “they dont see race”, this mostly happens when liberals try to argue there is no such thing as race and that we are all inherently equal (which is false).</p>
<p>Mike, you are willfully keeping your eyes closed if you think racism is just an “overblown phenomenon.” It is, in fact, much worse than the media would have you think, as the media is part of the problem. Only someone who does not have to face its realities every day would not think it’s a pervasive problem. Just google “white privilege” to start out with. </p>
<p>Your second point is just plain offensive. American PoC are just as American white people. Do you think (to give an example) the third generation Japanese-American should just pack up her bags and go back to Japan because of our countries racist mindset? You think they should be the ones who have to constantly change their entire lives, rather than white Americans just changing their perspectives?</p>
<p>People who come to the US have plenty of reasons. Many (like your ancestors) come because of an evil regime, to seek asylum, or to provide a better life for their families. Despite its problems, the USA is still a pretty grand country. Because of your European heritage, it was much easier for you and your family to assimilate, but someone whose non-white family immigrates for the same reasons will face many more problems than you and your family did–not just for the first generations, but for all generations to come in the foreseeable future. This is not because of any sort of superiority of character strength on the part of white people. It’s because of racism and prejudice in our country. It’s just ignorant to suggest they should go back to their country of origin.</p>
<p>If you think Affirmative Action is more harmful to white people than the nation’s history of racism against PoC, then you seriously have your head in the sand. We have made it so difficult for people of other races to succeed in our school system, while white students blissfully move on by without even realizing the injustices their non-white peers are facing. A white student later having to attend a school that may not have been their top choice is a minor inconvenience compared to the many factors working against other races. White people exploited and stepped on PoC to build our own country. It’s not racist to give those we wronged a hand up and try to atone for our past (which, in my opinion, is pretty unforgivable, but the least we can do is work to dismantle what we’ve done). You are not being discriminated against when other groups gain rights that you’ve always had.</p>
<p>And I actually agree that the “colorblind” argument is usually a problem of liberals. I oftentimes point out to my friends how harmful that viewpoint is. We are absolutely not all inherently equal in our society, but that reality is a social construction. Biologically, there is no reason why PoC shouldn’t be able to succeed in America at the same rate as white people. It’s in how we are conditioned and how we raise our children. We could stop it.</p>
<p>But first–we have to recognize the problem, something that you are denying. No, Affirmative Action is not the problem. Do some research.</p>
<p>Pretty sure this poster took advantage of AA himself to get into his college. At least being Hispanic (when it suits, I suppose, always accompanied by “but I’m really white”) is prominently mentioned in his “chance me” threads.</p>
<p>It appears he likes to get a rise out of people in any race thread that comes up.</p>
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<p>Because rasists will always admit that they’re racists.</p>
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<p>Let me guess, you’re white.</p>
<p>Yeah i had this long response planned out but i’m gonna have to call ■■■■■. Or a complete racist. In either case it’s not worth it.</p>
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<p>University of Wisconsin - Madison does list “ethnicity” as “considered” for freshman admissions:
[University</a> of Wisconsin - Madison Admissions Information - CollegeData College Profile](<a href=“http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg02_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1703]University”>http://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg02_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId=1703)</p>
<p>I’m feeling a mild neo-nazi “white power” “white supremacy” vibe from this. I wouldn’t really call it racism, but it’s on the same spectrum.</p>
<p>@greylady differences in average iq among races are well documented </p>
<p>here are some books that outline it well
[The</a> g Factor: The Science of Mental Ability (Human Evolution,Behavior,and Intelligence): Arthur R. Jensen: 9780275961039: Amazon.com: Books](<a href=“http://www.amazon.com/The-Factor-Evolution-Behavior-Intelligence/dp/0275961036]The”>http://www.amazon.com/The-Factor-Evolution-Behavior-Intelligence/dp/0275961036)
[IQ</a> and the Wealth of Nations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations]IQ”>IQ and the Wealth of Nations - Wikipedia)
[Race</a> Differences in Intelligence (book) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_Differences_in_Intelligence]Race”>Race Differences in Intelligence (book) - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>if the idea of an iq test doesnt float your boat then the fact that iq tests correlate very strongly with average income should give you pause
asians have highest average iq and highest average income (in america)
blacks have lowest average iq and lowest average income (in america)
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<p>The significance of recognizing the gap is this: Once the general population comes to terms with the facts we can stop blaming racism and “white privilege” for the shortcomings of blacks and hispanics. It would have a profound impact for the better on the appropriation of education funding and much more.</p>
<p>Also, I would like to share one more thing. The ethnic group with the highest average iq is actually ashkenazi jews (around 115 average vs 100 of other whites). If you are unfamiliar with that term do a quick google search. Ashkenazi jews are probably the most discriminated against and defiled ethnic group in the last 150 years. Yet they are still the smartest and most successful. Think about that for a minute.</p>
<p>@ohiobassmom I very well might have benefited from AA when applying to college. However. I think i would have gotten in if I applied as a non-hispanic caucasian anyways. But regardless, I wasnt as educated on the reality of this stuff back then and I regret it.</p>
<p>I agree partially with Mike1213 in that I too agree that racism is SOMETIMES overblown most notably among liberal circles of the media. For example, isolated instances of blatant racism are strung together as a social critique of what’s wrong with our society even though they are just that–isolated incidents. Most of American society would never act in such a way.</p>
<p>And when it comes to Affirmative Action, honestly I feel like it needs to be changed, if not completely taken away. Changed as in eliminating the focus on race and switching it to a focus on social factors.</p>
<p>Also, I am not white so don’t go pulling any of that crap.</p>