can anyone post their stats (that are considered to be low) who got into UMICH from past 2-3 years?
lowest stat for asians?
University of MIchigan is my TOP TOP TOP choice, but I had things going on during junior year *which affected my gpa as a whole A LOT. (downward trend, but my guidance counselor definitely mentioned about this on rec letter, but I don’t know how much that will help)
I’m honestly hoping for deferral…
I have a Korean friend got in last year with a 27 Act and a 3.6 GPA. He applied to the Kines school tho, and his ECs were very impressive and unique.
UM does not consider race in admissions, and has a significantly higher percentage of Asians when compared to the Michigan college aged population.
TooOld4School, Michigan does not have a formula that places a specific weight on race, but I would find it hard to believe that race does not enter the picture at all.
It’s illegal for Michigan public colleges to consider race in college admissions.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/04/22/justice/scotus-michigan-affirmative-action/
The students who are admitted on the low end of the stats range, can be expected to have something else compelling in their profile.
MalestromMonkey, I appreciate that, but it would be naive to believe that a person’s life experiences are not considered in the decision, and that includes one’s identity, community, etc…In other words, race, sex, color, ethnicity and national origin.
@Alexandre But you’re wrong, as you can clearly see above. You’re entitled to believe and think what you want, just know it’s not correct.
@JPGator98 You’re wrong. Michigan does take race into account, they just can’t publish that they do. It’s on their “rubric” for how they evaluate applicants.
@UofMorMSU No, it is not on the rubric. Here it is (https://admissions.umich.edu/assets/docs/template-rating-sheet.pdf); “race” is never considered on it. There are references to diversity, but they are in the context of awareness or experience with diversity, not the race of the applicant.
As @MaelstromMonkey already pointed out, it is against the Constitution of the State of Michigan for UM to consider race for admission.
Whiles it’s illegal for Michigan to consider race, it’s nearly impossible to prove whether they actually do or do not. All we can do is speculate.
@historiaimperii Fair enough, although I still think they use race on the low.
Common App shows the copy of your application that was sent to each school right before you submit it. The race section was left off of it, while it was included in all of my other ones. They literally never see it.
@jt1216 I wrote about by race/religion/ethnicity in my common app essay. A lot of students who are URM do that, it’s something that they take into account.
Yeah I am sure they have other ways such as what people reveal in their essays and maybe even people’s names. All I’m saying is that UMich never asks for your race when you fill out the application and never explicitly get it revealed to them as the race portion of Common App is not included on apps sent to UM. I am not saying they don’t have ways of determining who would add diversity to the campus, but they never explicitly ask for your race and never explicitly get it. This is what people in posts 2,4,6,& 8 of this thread were saying.
jt1216, there are literally dozens of way for the admissions office to know one’s gender and ethnic background. Name, extra curricular activities, community essay, common app essay, main Michigan essay etc…What purpose do you think the community essay serves?
While it is certainly possible to keep one’s identity secret, under normal circumstances, the admissions office will know of one’s background through all of those responses mentioned above. Michigan’s admissions office is holistic. As such, it factors one’s background into the decision, which almost always includes one’s gender, identity or race. It is impossible to separate one’s identity from one’s application.
You re welcome to think that URM applicants have the same acceptance rate, academic record and standardized test scores as overrepresented applicants, or that female applicants to the college of engineering face the same odds as male applicants, but that would not be consistent with what I have observed over the years.
If you consider the number of high number of Asians and ORM mixed race students that attend Michigan , far out of proportion to their numbers in Michigan and the midwest, and the relatively low number of blacks and URM mixed race kids, I think that there is strong evidence that Michigan does not consider race. In fact, of you look at the number of Asians at Cal vs. Michigan when compared to their age-banded state population, Michigan admits an even larger proportion of Asians than Cal.
None of this is definitive since we do not have access to the admission offices data, but these are strong indicators that race is not considered in any way beyond a few special cases.
Michigan’s URM efforts mostly involve a) getting more URM applicants through outreach and b) preparing small numbers of minority HS students through new programs to give them a semester or more of transition, soft skills and catch-up so they succeed at Michigan. None of those indicate that they are using race for admission criteria.
TooOld4School, it is difficult to ascertain if Michigan considers race in its admission decisions simply by looking at the number of URM and Asian students enrolled. Unless we have full visibility into the number of URMs and Asian students who apply vs how many are admitted vs how many enroll, as well as unweighted GPA, AP classes taken and SAT/ACT ranges of students who apply and are admitted for each demographic, there is no way to know for sure.
That being said, I do not disagree that Michigan does not weigh race heavily in its decision, nor should it. Academic performance, extra curricular activities, personal circumstances (such as socioeconomics, health etc…) etc…should, and do, play a larger role. I am just saying that race is part of a person’s identity, and as such, it is very likely that on some level, it plays a part in the final outcome.