Macalester vs. Kenyon? (help deciding!)

I got into Macalester and Kenyon, which I am excited about. I got rejected/waitlisted at several schools before this, so I’m happy that I have two good options to choose from. Now I just have to decide & go with gut feeling… They are both different LACs, especially in terms of location. I’m not sure if I’d prefer Gambier or St.Paul - leaning towards St. Paul, but will hopefully try to visit both this spring though not sure!

I’ve always been interested in STEM classes (mainly math, bio & chem), but I am excited about Macalester’s geography department. I also enjoy Spanish and creative writing (I know English is strong at Kenyon). Clearly uncertain about my major :slight_smile: I’m not into partying or Greek Life, and I know Kenyon has some Greek. I love spending time outdoors and I know both campuses are beautiful and there’s a chance I could run cross country at both but would need to contact coach. There’s also a club sport at Mac that I’m interested in. I got roughly the same amount of merit money from both. Lastly, my twin is going to another MN school, so we’d be close…

Does anyone have advice? Which college would be a better fit for me academically and socially and based on my interests? Any other things to consider? Thanks so much!

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How liberal are you ?

Macalester students lean far left, while Kenyon is closer to the middle.

St. Paul versus Gambier is a very important distinction.

Without more, Macalester & its location offer more opportunities for one not interested in drinking or in Greek life.

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I lean left, but I wouldn’t say I’m super super liberal…

Yes, I think a visit to both will definitely help. I know Gambier is near Mt. Vernon where students sometimes go, but location will definitely be a deciding factor. I know Mac is in a nice area of St. Paul and there would be good opportunities!

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Can anyone weigh in on political lean? I was under the impression that although both schools lean left, Kenyon was far more activist.

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If location will be an important deciding factor, then I suspect that Macalester will be the easy choice for you assuming that you do not want a rural, isolated small school atmosphere.

I’m the OP, but that’s what I thought initially, too… Interested in hearing more about this!

It’s definitely a factor … sorry I didn’t word previous reply right! I’m not going to rule out Kenyon bc of location. Want to visit first…

What do you think that students do for entertainment in a rural, isolated, cold weather, small school environment ?

In an earlier post, you declared that you are not into partying or Greek life.

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That’s a good point to consider. I know that I’ll be spending a lot of time studying, but of course there will be plenty of chances to go downtown and I’d want to have fun and not just sit in the library. But you’re right, since a big part of Kenyon is Greek and there is no downtown, then I might have trouble socially and finding things to do! I’d like to do a club sport at both, so that could at least help.

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Mac seems like it meets more preferences – academically, location, and setting, especially if a twin will be in MN as well. We know a number of happy Mac kids who really enjoyed the immediate neighborhood but also the opportunity to explore the Twin Cities, which is a vibrant cultural center.

Gambier is about as different as it gets from Twin Cities. Gambier blends in with campus, it’s a coffee shop, college book store and a few restaurants, plus a bank etc. Mt. Vernon is not much of a destination in itself – it has Walmart, Subway, Chipotle, liquor stores and some other food places, perhaps some student bars. Kenyon has somewhere around 25% greek life participation, it is non-residential, so students don’t live in the chapter houses. I believe Kenyon still sets aside specific halls in the dorms for greek life members to live together with their sorority sisters/fraternity brothers, so parts of dorms are greek life “clusters.”

Mac definitely sounds like a better fit for this student. Kenyon might be a better fit for a different student, but from the OP’s expressed interests, Mac sounds better fit. Congrats on some great choices.

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Thank you so much!! Your reply was super helpful. Haven’t been to Twin Cities, but they seem really nice and excited to visit over break… Yeah Gambier is definitely the exact opposite of St. Paul! Good to know about Mt. Vernon and greek life/dorm situation, not too certain it would be best for me socially… Honestly, leaning more towards Mac, and an extra bonus that my twin is 45 min away!

Is it a known fact that Kenyon has a lot of parties, drinking and Greek life?

My son was just accepted there, but that is definitely not his scene.

Any other types of social activity on campus?

Hi, so, my daughter considered both schools last year (along with a couple more similar Midwestern LACs) and ended up at Kenyon. It’s kind of funny, because the whole time she thought Mac was her top choice, and the schools are so opposite in terms of the location. We visited both, did a Junior Day at Kenyon in March 2019 and then a visit to Macalester (along with some other schools) in the summer 2019. We really liked both of them, but the presentation at Macalester just blew us away. She’s interested in theater and liked the idea of being in a small LAC in a city with a very active theater life. She got into both with nice merit, but Kenyon gave her a little bit more money overall, and when we started looking more closely at Kenyon again, it seemed to be a great fit, with a very strong theater department and a strong emphasis on creative writing.

She also had some concerns about Greek life but we were reassured both during our tour and later, when contacting some current students, that it’s not a dominant culture on campus, and in general, it’s not stereotypical Greek life you find in large state schools, more inclusive and non-toxic. This has been confirmed by her experience so far; she says, except for getting occasional emails, she didn’t feel its presence on campus at all (granted, she only spent one semester at Kenyon, since freshmen stayed remote in the spring).

As for the location, she saw advantages in both types of location: yes, Mac is in a great city, but Kenyon to her had that idyllic college campus feel, “almost a writers’ retreat.” The current student my daughter contacted, when she was making her decision, is from NYC, and she said one advantage of Kenyon’s isolated location is that it creates an incredibly tightly knit community; that student had no problem with the location, she said there was always so much going on on campus. My daughter, too, was so busy with school, participating in a music ensemble, and spending time with friends that she was never bored or isolated there. In fact, she kept saying how beautiful the campus was, and she was just so happy just walking on it every day (also, incredibly grateful to actually be on campus this past fall).

Kenyon is actually located in a beautiful part of Ohio, with rolling hills and a nice trail nearby (the Kokosing river gap) for biking and walking. The weather is not that bad at all; the fall was very nice; because of the pandemic, my daughter and her friends had lots of their meals outside well into November and she also had two outdoor concerts. I’m sure it’s different in the winter, but it’s true of many US locations.

Kenyon is very liberal, from what I understand (just not extreme). Overall, my daughter is just in love with Kenyon and can’t imagine being any place else. This is not to try to sway you away from Mac, it’s a fantastic school. The neighborhood is great, with nice shops, restaurants, a direct bus line to the airport and to both cities. Just to give you a perspective. I’ve noticed that some people on the forum are quick to put a label on a school, but in reality they’re much more mixed and diverse.

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No more than any other LAC, I’d say. My daughter (a first-year) is not into any of this stuff at all and found great friends and is super happy there.

Thanks so much!

Are you okay with sharing what major she is in?

I don’t think Kenyon is different than any other LAC in this regard, whether it’s Amherst, Middlebury, Haverford or Kenyon. These are campuses full of 18-22 year olds, some
of whom will be drinking and partying. The issue at any LAC is what is there for students to do who aren’t interested in partying. What @Publisher is referring to is that, in remote LACs, there may not be much more to do than what is on campus, unlike, say Mac where a student could easily leave campus to find lots to do in the Twin Cities. One approach might be to check out the campus events calendar – keeping in mind that, depending on the school, not everything happening on campus makes it to the official calendar. Are there performances, openings, readings, galas etc.?

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Sure. They don’t declare a major until later in the sophomore year, but it looks like she is definitely going to major in history. She originally planned on also majoring in drama, but now she’s leaning towards just taking selected courses in drama and film (focusing on playwriting and screenwriting). She’s been enjoying their modern languages program a lot and might be adding modern languages and literatures as her second major. She’s also involved in music on campus. Feel free to pm if you have more questions.

Wow thank you so much! This was very helpful. I’m definitely not going to rule out Kenyon and I’m glad your daughter’s enjoying it there! This will be a tricky decision for me to make in a month or so, but I’m hoping if/when I visit in April that seeing campuses/locations will make my decision a little easier… Both sound great, and I also think that smaller schools in smaller towns do have advantages, and Kenyon’s campus is beautiful.

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You’re very welcome! Absolutely, a visit will help a lot. Best of luck and congrats on those great options to choose from.

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@college7815 Kenyon was one of my D’s favorite schools that we visited when we toured in 2019. It was the only SLAC that she applied to that had Greek life and had she not been accepted to her top choice, I wouldn’t have been surprised if she chose Kenyon. We were lucky enough to have a private tour and our guide was terrific. She and my D clicked immediately. She was funky, smart, and funny. My artsy D had been worried that Kenyon might be too preppy, but our guide quickly dispelled that notion. Toward the end of our tour, she told us about her main ECs serving on the board of an LGBTQ+ group and chairing the community service committee of her sorority. She said that she was surprised that she ended up joining a sorority, but while she was glad she did, she had lots of friends who chose not to. HTH

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