Manhattan to Mich

<p>I'm a devout city person - so I'm looking for some empathy and opinions based on personal experience.</p>

<p>I was at UMich on Saturday for about 5 hours (for the game - I was one of the more tame drunk aholes on the OSU party bus), and I walked through the school a bit and I'm not sure how I feel about spread out it is. I've grown up in Greenwich Village and I REALLY love the City. My decision is possibly coming down to NYU and UMich - so I could use some thoughts on the transition from a place like Manhattan to Ann Arbor because it could end up determining where I go to school.</p>

<p>I do enjoy the big party scene somewhat, I had a great time this weekend for instance, but I'm just not sure if I want it every week. I'm kind of someone who likes the idea of never learning to drive out of necessity, but I'm also underexposed to anything else (i spend two months a year at a summer camp where I have to be in a car constantly and worrying about gas and such - that's about it). </p>

<p>Anyone here experience this, and please be honest because none of you have anything to gain from me choosing Mich, so school pride asside, suggestions, thoughts, stories, anecdotes.... all would be much appreciated. (oh and don't hate me too much for being an OSU fan - i swear I'd gladly betray the buckeyes for an alma mater)</p>

<p>well, u-mich is a party school but i think NYU is a bigger party school than u-mich. but the main thing is how good the school is and u-mich definitely comes out at top. if you’d rather go to parties than a really good school, well then ann arbor isn’t for you. but still, there are parties here.</p>

<p>NYC is overrated for college-bound students. It is great for high-earning (Investment Banker types) 25-35 year olds, but college students will generally not have the means to benefit from what the city has to offer. </p>

<p>In terms of academics, NYU is excellent, but Michigan is typically a little better. If you don’t care much for your college experience and only care about living in a city, go for NYU, otherwise, Michigan is a better choice. It has better academics, a nicer campus and more college activities.</p>

<p>Although not Manhattan, I came from Westchester county. And I’m liking it quite a bit.</p>

<p>oh, small detail… NYU is free.</p>

<p>to get more specific, it’s going to possibly be a choice between NYU’s LSP for CAS (for free) and UMich LSA. Chances are I’m going to end up doing either cinema studies, english or journalism, and perhaps even trying to get into a screenwriting program (transferring to Tisch after freshman year if UMich of Soph year if LSP at NYU).</p>

<p>No matter which school I choose, I’m going to probably apply to Columbia, UPenn, Brown, Northwestern next year because my high school record doesn’t reflect my ability as a student (went through a big overhaul midway through junior year) - so it might just come down to staying in New York for free (and I do like NYU a lot, cinema studies being a big draw) and then applying to basically dream schools (most of all Columbia)</p>

<p>Also, NYU is not a big party school. There simply are not parties - kids tend to hang out in bars and such, not go to big parties like they do at a place like Michigan. So 123abc456, i think you might be a little off there. </p>

<p>If Alexandre (because I know you’re the resident expert - not sarcasm you do seem to know what you’re talking about) or anyone else could shed some light on how they compare for what my interests seem to be…</p>

<p>One last thing - I wouldn’t struggle to pay UMich tuition OOS, but free is free, it’s not a matter of my family’s survival or anything though - no debt would be compiled</p>

<p>Free? Wow, the choice should be simple. I’m assuming you have a parent who is a professor there. I can’t see a reason to go to Umich. Really, I can’t see a reason to be anywhere else.</p>

<p>For free tuition at NYU, I would go there, especially if Cinema studies is you intended field and even more so if you intend on transfering after one year. Honestly, even if finances aren’t an issue, for Cinema studies, I cannot imagine why anybody would chose to pay $200,000 to attend any university in the nation when one can attend NYU for free.</p>

<p>This whole thread sounds like it was started by a ■■■■■ to me.</p>

<p>rjkofnovi, huh?</p>

<p>and thanks. It’ll still be a choice (if I get LSP’d and into Mich - I think I’m going to be deferred my Mich so it could be a nonissue)</p>

<p>y is it free? surprising b/c NYU #1 in no financial aid.</p>

<p>Woosha…For cinema studies in a humanities style (and notably non-studio) program AND free, then I’d be inclined to choose NYU…but not sure why you’d want the cs angle if what you’re really interested in is creating content, whether of fiction or non.
If you’re actually interested in writing/screenwriting and are not presently able to access Tisch (re grades) and don’t care about whether its a BFA or a BA, then U of Mich could actually work for you – BUT NOT IF YOU PLAN TO TRANSFER YR 1!!! You would totally need to check equivalencies with Tisch because like most BFA programs, they can be very picky about what courses transfer to meet major criteria. The Screen Arts and Culture department (LSA film) at U of M boasts an interesting 3rd year, year-long screenwriting course that is very very well regarded, and there are some other interesting features at U of M in terms of creative writing, which is also a well regarded program. However, it will take you two years to meet the prerequisites just to be selected (and it is by portfolio) for the screenwriting course. You might want to consider the approach of undergrad at U of M, grad school at NYU (eg. MFA film, sw conc). Or NYU CS gunning for Tisch. Or at least talk to Tisch and ask them what transfers from SAC/UMich before making any determinations. Tisch is still the lead dog in terms of production by all counts.</p>

<p>As far as journalism is concerned (and U Mich produces award-winners, so don’t get me wrong) I feel you’d be best served by Northwestern’s communication school program, which is outstanding but very very competitive – meaning to transfer in you’d have a bit of a hill to climb but a better chance if you did well at U Mich. My understanding was that Columbia was more regarded for its Masters in j-school as opposed to undergrad. And for journalism, don’t rule out Syracuse/Newhouse, which might be more accessible.</p>

<p>In terms of urban life, you’ll likely find yourself left wanting outside of Manhattan because, hey, it’s manhattan (unless you apply to usc and like LA). Northwestern is very suburban and smallish in student pop compared to U of M – although Chicago is a train ride away, still seems a little secluded. U of M is vibrant in a “eclectic college town” kind of way (not entirely unlike greenwich, really,) but not really “urban” by my definition. Etc. Etc.</p>

<p>Maybe you should check out the writing program at the University of British Columbia - Vancouver, BC, Cda: very urban, very well regarded program with an actual film industry to work in. Alternately, Montreal (try Concordia for film, McGill for English) is a nice city with a notable “creative” component in terms of film/writing etc. Among Canadian options, Toronto is a great city to write in, with a variety of film programs from BFA at York University to BA (but intensive hands-on) at Ryerson, to absolutely first rate Eng and CR at University of Toronto. Of those options, York is the furthest from downtown but has the most intensive screenwriting options (or used to).</p>

<p>In terms of cities you might enjoy, based on your post, I rank them Vancouver, Toronto, Montreal (if you can stand real winter…it’s north of you now ; ) then a toss up between Evanston and Ann Arbor (though I love AA and Detroit, for what it’s worth, is a stone’s throw away, but Michigander’s are really reliant on CARS and public transit OUTSIDE of AA, eg. getting to Detroit, is not what I call “robust” in terms of frequency or options…whereas the public transportation is spot on in Vancouver, TO or Mtl!).</p>

<p>Hope this has given you food for thought. Good luck on your search!
Cheers,
K</p>

<p>In response to kmccrindle’s statement about Northwestern, it does offer a strong Communications program in theater, radio/television/film, and journalism (a separate school). The communications alumni is huge and well-known. It is also very competitive. [Welcome</a>, School of Communication, Northwestern University](<a href=“http://www.communication.northwestern.edu%5DWelcome”>http://www.communication.northwestern.edu)</p>

<p>It’s free because my parents are faculty, and just so people know, Northwestern isn’t a place I’m applying to this year because I can’t get in. If you’re wondering why I’m somewhat confident about UMich and not at all about NW its because UMich loves accepting kids from my high school (we have the stats available). </p>

<p>I’m also not entirely sure I want to be writing and not reporting or critiquing (if I end up doing something film related) so that’s not a foregone conclusion. I think NYU is gaining points in my book, but the LSP thing which is very likely will probably annoy me a lot.</p>

<p>Wow, are you serious? You have a offer of free tuition at one of the best universities in the nation and which also have one of most potential/ resources in the world to take you in the direction you want. Definately NYU.</p>

<p>The LSP component would also be my concern with the plan also, so I can appreciate your concern. I can also understand why if you’re a lifelong resident of NYC you might want to spread your wings away from home for a year or two. An undeclared sampling at U Mich’s LSA could conceivably serve you just as well – you could sample the various SAC courses, etc. That way when you made your final major (and school) determination, you’d be “choosing” instead of “doing what’s free”. So I don’t think it’s crazy to be contemplating something other than “free” if it’s an option available to you. Free only works if it’s the right fit : )</p>

<p>Kid, I think you need to be realistic. If you’re talking about LSP, then you’re reaching for the stars thinking about Columbia, etc. for the future. Concentrate on what’s in front of you, not what you hope might happen if … The odds of going to Michigan and then transferring to Columbia, etc. are low and you’ve said that you’re an LSP candidate now so you aren’t an A student.</p>

<p>The real question here is regular Michigan, assuming you get in, versus NYU LSP. I don’t know what I’d pick, though free is a good thing. You’ve said high school doesn’t reflect your ability. You hear that a lot. You may do very well in college but you may not - and odds are you’ll do somewhere in between. (Though I have a brother who went from a low B average in high school to junior year Phi Beta Kappa at Michigan - which was like in the top 10 GPA’s.) </p>

<p>My point is that if you’re actually an LSP candidate, you need to focus on what’s in front of you and not grand schemes for the future. Maybe that will help you do better. For me, 2 years in LSP and then an NYU degree for free would be worth a ton. Imagine this scenario: you go to NYU and that means your parents can afford to support you more after graduation or can afford to send you to grad school without you taking on massive debt. Focus on the real issues, not on what if dreams.</p>

<p>Lergnon makes good points though I think there are benefits to challenging yourself with new experiences – some kids do really blossom academically on their own but yes, same is a risk.
At any rate, told my s. last night about your post b/c his roommate is from Manhattan. He asked me to share with you that while his roomie is enjoying the experience, he really really really misses Manhattan. (S. also very strongly considered NYU Tisch Clive Davis and loves your city as well. However, instate worked better in our case, and he liked the SOM better, where he’s actually dual degree…but hopes to one day consider grad work at Tisch in film…) So you are very realistic to assume that you would miss your city, I think. But U Mich does offer a completely different kind of experience being in a college town.</p>