<p>You don't get a job just 'cause your degree
What you'll get is an opportunity
To sit a be an interviewee</p>
<p>A better school will get you more chances
Unless you're hot and make advances
at your future boss and take off your pants</p>
<p>^ HAHA this is def the best thread on collegeboard</p>
<p>lolz.... what if I'm male?</p>
<p>Okay. Let's get back to topic. I mean seriously U of T Commerse vs the Mcgill Management for international students. I would hope for un-biased opnions. I got to make a decision soon.</p>
<p>naff: I doubt you are going to get any unbiased opinions about anything on an internet board. You should do research, just as you would if you were starting a business. Call the schools to find alumni in your area, speak with local business leaders in the field you are interested in studying. Check with each school and get a list of where all graduates in the last five years have been hired. Check with graduate schools admissions offices to see if they have a preference. Both schools are excellent and large. It may come down to your specific field of study/work and where you would rather live for three or four years. You have to do a little digging to get the answers you need.</p>
<p>thanks mcgilldad. I've certainly done by research. Well, base on the general personal opinion of friends, alumnus, and people in the business world (my mom's american bosses), McGill seems favorable and rather respected. On the other hand, U of Toronto is well known as well. But that is only because of the 'Toronto' word. Anyways, I'd just wish on confirmation by posting an open question to solicit as many replies as possible.</p>
<p>I think Leyton's post is a pretty accurate description of the general vibe in the finance world. When people hear that you went to school in Canada, McGill may be the only university up north that they've heard of. It's unfair, but true.</p>
<p>Ok so I'm really having difficulty making up my mind whether to enroll in the BCom or the BA at McGill. Either way I would try to do the Joint Honors in Economics and Finance. Yet, I would also like to study subjects like philosophy or politics, which would only be possible with the BA (?).
Now I talked to many people and most of them told me to do the BCom rather than the BA since the BA is supposedly a "joke". But on this board you seemed to agree that McGill's management program is actually not very recognized. Also, considering the Joint Honors is quite difficult/demanding, wouldn't it be smarter GPA-wise to do the BA Joint Honors if that's supposedly less competitive?</p>
<p>In fact, what's the big difference between the BCom and the BA, especially if I'd do the honors?? Also, would you say it's easier to transfer from BCom to BA than vice versa?</p>
<p>Why ain't it recognized? My senior who went to Mcgill got an ibank job in NYC.</p>
<p>katiebee posted at the beginning: "umm reputationally McGill isn't really known for business....it's considered by some to be kinda the joke of the school, though this is based on what i've heard-i don't know the intricacies of the program."</p>
<p>Also, others regarded other Commerce programs as more recognized than McGill's.</p>
<p>didn't you notice that katiebee is the only one who post as such. I mean...how much do you believe. I'm going to Bcom this fall as well. I've talked to a couple of seniors, counselors, my parent's bosses (whom is american) They all regard Mcgill as a very reputable institution. </p>
<p>In the US, Mcgill is probably the most well-known of the lot. I'm international and I don't know much about canada universities. The only three I've heard of and recommended by counselors is Mcgill, Ubc and U toronto.</p>
<p>Yes, I know McGill is a great university. I never questioned that. What I'm asking is what it's reputation for commerce is? I know it's famous for medicine, for instance.</p>
<p>Also I still have the question about the BCom vs. BA (see above).</p>
<p>i'm probably "the only one who posts as such" because i am one of very few canadians on this board, and most americans seem to regard that all McGill programs are excellent. while i definitely agree that all together, McGill is an excellent school, all i was saying was that the commerce program was not its' best one...a sentiment widely held in Canada, if not in the states. i don't wish to demean the Commerce program, as i see now that i seemed to do in the past-it just isn't McGill's most reputable program although overall, it's an amazing school. trust me, i'm definitely not the only one who feels this way, and i'm really just trying to give a more balanced perspective.</p>
<p>katiebee, personally I very much appreciate your differing opinion. Obviously, that's what I want to hear: a balanced perspective. So it's great that you give such insight. I actually also haven't really heard anything of McGill's commerce program before, like I said. McGill is mainly associated with medicine and engineering, I have the impression.</p>
<p>RE: Joint honors econ/finance
If you take the Arts route, you should take note that while you'll be paying the Arts' lower tuition, you'll be in Bronfman all the time surrounded by B.Com students. You will not get the MUS emails or the B.Com office emails (which are very, very helpful to us management students). I'm pretty sure that you also don't get 24hr access to the building and computer lab but I'll have to check that out (because there's a tech fee that's charged to management students for the service).</p>
<p>Just off the top of my head, several of the top business schools in QC/ON are Rotman, Ivey, HEC Montreal... And I think McGill Management fits in there too considering how many case competitions and etc we win (Thammasat, HKUST, Jeux du Commerce). It's certainly not a joke faculty. The entering average for commerce is among the highest among all the faculties at McGill - if not the highest (I think last year it was, not sure about this year...kinda out of touch with the stats).</p>
<p>Thanks. It's good that you mention the tuition fees. I have not considered those yet.</p>
<p>Considering the BCom admissions is more competitive, does that mean that it's also more difficult to get good grades in the courses?</p>
<p>I kinda want to take humanities courses. Is that possible with the BCom? Is there actually also a BCom Honors, or would I get a regular BCom even if I did the Honors?</p>
<p>Considering what you said about not getting the advantages of being a management student, are you saying the BCom is better than the BA?</p>
<p>my friend is doing a BCom in Math with a minor in History- the calendar will show you all your options</p>
<p>RE: Humanities Courses in BCom >> elitester</p>
<p>I was just reading my welcoming package and it says that for us first year BCom General Management students, in addition to 2 required math courses Math122+123(6 credits) we will be able to choose 6 credits(likely 2 courses) from Freshman Social Sciences/Sciences Courses, and another 6 credits from Freshman Humanities/Language Courses, plus 12 credits of electives.</p>
<p>Oh ok, perfect. Thanks TakeMeHigh. Yet, I'm still wondering what's more difficult -- BCom or BA Honors?</p>
<p>The BA route you don't have to do the entire BCom core, but that may have changed now that they've redesigned the BCom core (it was implemented just this semester). Check the calendar on what classes you have to take in BA in comparison to BCom.</p>
<p>RE: "Considering the BCom admissions is more competitive, does that mean that it's also more difficult to get good grades in the courses?"
You take a lot of the same classes (as in BA Hon E/F students are in normal management classes). It's just that you have different core criteria classes and that you graduate with different degrees. Management has a policy of having class averages at a B so that can really suck for the easy classes because you'll probably get curved down.</p>
<p>Personally I'd choose the BCom route just because you're not stuck with Econ and Finance. You might find Finance and Entrepreneurship more interesting or etc when you start taking your classes and if you're in the BA program then you have to arrange to transfer faculties and etc. Also, you get the Bronfman access, MUS, and the Management Career Centre.</p>