<p>i think everyone was just using satire to generalize and making fun of the op's own generalization of the asian race.</p>
<p>is computer violations suspension a big deal? not like for cheating purposes.. just for playing games..</p>
<p>wow, that sucks, your school is a little strict</p>
<p>Lol</p>
<p>Man i totally agree on your comments on cheating man. Seriously the heck cares about hw ? I am an indian and if i were you i would have done the same thing( But i would have been a lil smarter about it ;)) Dont worry, just let the colleges know about the reasons of your suspension.</p>
<p>well yea
u can say that.. u can even say that my school sucks ass in general.. do u know my rank? 65/488 with a 4.32 gpa. and i got straight A's 1 b so far , and my rank will be only 54 best after that. oh well do u think it counts very much? as big as cheating? i did explain my college about it. i ' am applying to UVA?</p>
<p>Of course this thread is getting ridiculous-it wandered off topic into the morality of cheating. :)</p>
<p>prospy 1987....of course i didn't write in that kind of attitude man!!! lol, its totally different when you have to talk to adults/adcom. And i my bad for blaming in on my culture, stupid comment on my part.</p>
<p>haha, at least if feels good to know that other students understand cheating happens all the time and they acknowledge its existence. Whether or not you think it is moral, is entirely up to you and i respect each and every one of your opinions (minus duke cuz that was kinda low man...). Also, i don't mind this conversation going off topic, cuz its a good topic to discuss. If you think about it, cheating occurs all the time and teachers know it too. It's all a matter of how much the teacher likes you and/or how stupid you have to be to be caught (i'd like to say i have horrible luck...and am stupid for cheating in the first place). Yet depending on the school/setting, the attitudes of how people perceive cheating differs from one place to another. I know that public schools around here give suspension for student that have been caught cheating the thrid time. First instance is detention, then a call home, then finally suspension. Maybe i was unfortunate to go to a strict school, or im just an idiot (i'll say both) but the punishment varies from place to place and there is no set of rules to determine which method is more correct than the other. Finally, i don't think it right to cheat, but it happens all the time and its very much a peer pressure thing. Though drugs and alcohol are substances that can be used and abused, i think it can somewhat be connected to the pressures created by cheating. One can decide to totally ignore drugs and alcohol, try them once or twice, or abuse them, yet the atmosphere which one grows up in helps determine how that individual perceives what is morally right or wrong. Aight, hope you guys keep up the posts!</p>
<p>To the person who wrote this thread, don't blame ethnicity or use asians as a breeding ground for cheating. I am asian and i have never heard cheating as a way to get to the top in my culture..or maybe it's just my family. anyway, since you ask, it all depends where you are applying to. I don't see your chances of getting into public colleges are high b/c u did cheat but then private may still be a chance for you if you mend ur ways and write how much you learned from it. I don't think you have btw...anyway and apply to lesser known private schools for sure. no big name will take you .no sympathy for cheaters.</p>
<p>steaky, i hope u read the entire thread considering we cleared many things up, primarily that being "asian" has less to do with cheating than considering it to be "just copying." </p>
<p>Personally, you sound kinda fobbish (again, not to be mean) and im surprised that you've never heard of such incidents occuring. Never once did i, or anyone, state that we cheat to get to the top. We're just lazy once in awhile (but that of course is no excuse) and don't feel like doing an assignment. Im sorry if i offended you or any other asians, as i did not mean to say that asians always cheat. I kno for a fact that there are many many asians that work hard and strive to become everything they can in the most honest and earnest ways. However at the same time, you must also acknowledge that cheating occurs whether or not you approve of it. I just happened to be a korean, and while living in korea and observing its culture, i noticed that many students copied or cheated during exams. Also, the acknowledgment of widespread cheating is apparent throughout much of korean media via movies and even the news. </p>
<p>During the Korean national college placement test or, "Soonoong," over 1000 (could be totally off, but still high) students were caught sending answers via text message to a receiver that then recorded all given answers and sent them back out to the students during the test. Had this been the first time it would not be as shocking than knowing that this had been taking place for many many years, and that the number of students participating increased each year. </p>
<p>As you can see, my opinions have been heavily influenced by the people and settings i have been around, and i apologize if my perception of other cultures, or even my own, is very incorrect. But to blame my interpretation is different than giving our own individual perspective on the situation. For all those that post (which i hope is many), i hope you consider not to blast my erroneous comments, but to give your views on cheating (good, bad, happens all the time, go burn in h***, w/e). I think it's always interesting to see how other people think of such a touchy yet very common situation. Keep on postin!</p>
<p>Just one thing - I'm not questioning you for cheating, and even if I were, my judgement on the morality of cheating would hardly be relevant or relative to how often I personally cheat (that said, it may surprise you that I don't do that sort of thing much at all; I like to think it's because I don't need to.)</p>
<p>What I do have a major problem with is you linking an entire race with your own behavior. I <em>agree</em>, cheating is common, but that's hardly limited or more or less common with one race than another. Someone mentioned Asians are competitive, and therefore cheat more. Competitive = cheating? Hardly. Lazy <insert whichever="" entire="" race="" you="" two="" think="" aren't="" competitive=""> people cheat too. People who aren't academically bright like <insert whichever="" entire="" race="" you="" two="" think="" aren't="" academically="" bright=""> cheat too. Get my gist? </insert></insert></p>
<p>"while living in korea and observing its culture, i noticed that many students copied or cheated during exams. Also, the acknowledgment of widespread cheating is apparent throughout much of korean media via movies and even the news. " You could substitute 'America' for 'korea' and that would still make sense. Didn't anyone else see that ep on 60 minutes where it was found that something like 60% of ivy kids cheated on tests through phones/txt messaging? </p>
<p>Once again, my problem with what you said isn't that you cheat. I understand that, unfortunately, cheating is widespread and anyone who is naiive to believe otherwise will get hurt. My problem is that you thought it was any defence that you are Asian and this is the sort of thing Asians do.</p>
<p>However, I sense generally through these 2 pages of posts that you get that now, and you while you may, unfortunately, still believe that, it wasn't something you quite meant to say. If so, then peace - good luck with your college apps.</p>
<p>Okay look, i dunno how many times i have to post this but, "We're just lazy once in awhile (but that of course is no excuse) and don't feel like doing an assignment. Im sorry if i offended you or any other asians, as i did not mean to say that asians always cheat."<br>
Don't think you read my entire post, and if u did, u must have skipped that part. If you couldn't get what i was going for in my previous post, i meant to say, again, that "I kno for a fact that there are many many asians that work hard and strive to become everything they can in the most honest and earnest ways. However at the same time, you must also acknowledge that cheating occurs whether or not you approve of it."</p>
<p>My choice to use my experiences/influences may or may not be replaced with instances in America, but i didn't know about them thus i don't think it is fair to blame me for being ignorant. If this were a debate where i needed to prove that i am right and you are wrong then you make a perfect point. However, i have already admitted that i have incorrectly blamed or implied to have blamed my nationality/race for my actions. All that i request is an acknowledgement on your behalf, that i have admitted to making an incorrect statement that has been corrected long ago. If you continue to believe that i have not corrected this error, than by all means continue to post your dissatisfaction (or is it unsatisfaction?) until i finally do something that pleases you. Sorry for the misunderstanding, but i hope i didn't offend you...again</p>
<p>i dunno about you, but asians are totally against cheating, at least I am</p>
<p>What on earth are you all implying? Yeah, cheating goes on: but cheating on tests or major assignments is wrong. There is nothing else to it. Copying hw is a little different, but for bigger things... You deserve to not get into college if you cheat. The only people I know who cheat are not ones who would be getting 1500s, though. But there is no excuse: race, too busy, pressure to succeed. I study and do my own work and the idea that my classmates might be getting the same grades with no effort... It makes me sick. the OP even got caught twice.<br>
Following the rules (even stupid ones) is a lot better than throwing away college. And I go to a private school w/ a uniform, so I know ALL about stupid rules. It just isn't worth it.</p>
<p>breakerz, at first you said you didnt want any sympathy, but why are you getting so defensive? you must have been expecting this to happen...you cheated and got suspended and its going to follow you. your gpa isnt that good if youre applying to ivies and such. people in admissions kno people like you. you do well in tests but then get in trouble, they call it waste of potential. also, because youre asian, itll be even harder, because theres this craze where asians are <em>perfect</em> and <em>good children</em>. theres more people in the applicant pool that didndt get suspended like you. twice.</p>
<p>come on guys...copying an assignment isn't that bad, neither is letting a friend cheat...</p>
<p>in my classes (AP classes, to refute the person who said people with 1500's don't cheat) we have a whole system, in which we divide the work evenly, lol</p>
<p>why is there such a big debate... its a simple answer and I KNOW I AM RIGHT.. everybody has cheated in their life. u cant help it. the only reason this guy whoever started the thread is being criticized is because he was caught , and he is asian. btw, yes asian means more pressure. u dont know what it feels like. guy who started ythread, i feel u man, i was suspended also. hope ur life gets better</p>
<p>everybody doesn't cheat, i dont, although i know almost everybody does, but there are a few who just dont do that, so u r wrong</p>
<p>think about how many people would still be in NHS if they actually cared about cheating? because its so pervasive in high school (at least). if i had cared enough to, i could have given proof to kick literally 90% of NHS out of NHS (i'm not in it) because almost everyone does it. and i'm pretty sure NHS has a no-cheating clause in its statement? ...and they probably have a no-illegal-music/movies/whatever thing too... =)</p>
<p>Look, many people cheat in this world, and squirrel, if you have seriously never ever cheated once in your life i praise you highly. However for us other people that have been tempted more than once in our lives and eventually taken the bait, we are not so fortunate to be like you. however i think crichessill was simply trying to generalize many people and unfortunately u were clumped into this pile. Personally i think this thread has said a most of what could be said about cheating and think its time to let it go. However if you guys (and gals) wish to continue to discuss this topic, go ahead just as long as you do not hurt anyone or generalize races/gender/ethnicity/etc...( aka don't do what i did). Anyways, hope y'all have a good day!</p>
<p>If I got in trouble for cheating, my parents would beat me bloody (i'm asian).</p>