meh...at least u guys didn't get suspended

Chance Me / Match Me!
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<p>yes...its true...i have been suspended. Really hurts my chances, and it doesn't make me feel better that all these other ppl im going up against have similar or better scores than me. Anyways, just wanted to post and see if there have been any other ppl who've been suspended for academic reasons (aka cheating, stealing, bomb threats, hit lists?) and have gotten in or are waiting and hoping that god is good to them. </p>

<p>Haven't gotten in but here are my stats anyways</p>

<p>Sat: 790/660 (math/verb)
Gpa: 3.34 (well...my school has only had four 4.0's in its 50+ yr history...but i still have a crappy gpa one way or another
Rank: 17/76 (small school...)
Sat II: 780/770/640/720 (math IIc/chem/writing/korean)
EC: bunch of stuff...does it really matter THAT much? no, didn't think so
Hook: I guess i can say that i volunteer at the American Red Cross as youth council chair....or i can say that i kick ppl's ass in Taekwondo (bohahaha)
Reason for suspension: Heh...twice!!! Once for copying summer hw, and the second for helping a friend during a test (i was done, he had extended time and ask me for help while he "went to the bathroom." in my defense, i didn't really care whether or not i was helping him. Also, if you're asian, cheating on hw really isn't that bad in our culture...or it could just be me)</p>

<p>No need to give me sympathy, just post if you've been suspended or on probation for a reason that colleges will actually care about. Have a nice day!</p>

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<p>"my defense, i didn't really care whether or not i was helping him. " That's defense??</p>

<p>"Also, if you're asian, cheating on hw really isn't that bad in our culture" < -- no. no, no, no, no, NO. </p>

<p>My parents aren't the type who beat their kids much, but they would certainly make an exception if they caught me doing anything of the kind - my uncle would flay his kids' hands until they bled for that sort of behavior. As far as I have known and seen here in China, discipline and hardwork are the way forward with no compromise in honesty.</p>

<p>"No need to give me sympathy" <-- dear lord, what were you expecting?</p>

<p>Even if it were an Asian culture to smile upon cheating, shame on you for blaming 'culture' for your clear lack of good judgement and ethics.</p>

<p>I have read some articles where colleges say they really don't want to hear about playing hooky or smoking a cigg in school uniform. What they do care about is 1. cheating, 2. plagiarizing. You've got two counts of the former. Draw your own conclusions.</p>

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<p>I agree with yz16. It may be hard for you to get into anything but an in- state public school that guarantees admission based completely on one's stats, not essays, recommendations, etc. Otherwise, you'll have a tough time getting into even safeties.</p>

<p>Cheating once was bad enough, but twice....</p>

<p>I imagine that your first instance of cheating is why Chicago turned your application down. You may not think cheating is a big deal, but colleges disagree.</p>

<p>You also have posted enough info about yourself here to be identifiable to adcoms.</p>

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<p>hey hey, when i meant by my culture, don't think i haven't grown up getting hit or w/e. I meant that as in those in my culture realize that cheating happens all the time or w/e. i guess its hard to put in words so you'll understand, but what im trying to go for is that i understand cheating is bad, and shame on me for doing it twice, but whats done is done and i have to move on.</p>

<p>Also, yz16, you seem to be a fobish type of person (didn't mean that in any bad sort of way) but i think you know that a lot of people cheat in china/asia. Getting caught cheating during a test, copying hw, or doing other ppls hw is fairly common (in america too). But when was the last time u heard anybody from china getting suspended over cheating? i'm korean and my family and friends know that cheating is definetly something worth getting hit over. I understand this, and im not trying to blame my culture, im just saying my culture approaches it in an entirely different way (probably because u can't hit students in america...although it might be necessary at times). and a final note, by the quote "my defense, i didn't really care whether or not i was helping him." i meant that as in i didn't realize i was helping him since he just appeared out of nowhere and asked me a question while i was in the hallway and i didn't turn him in when i realized what i did cuz he was my friend. i dunno bout u guys, but he was a good friend and at the time i didn't kno what was best for him. ANYWAYZ, no need to tell me that im stupid and im not gonna get anywhere cuz i get that enough, just post if u've been suspended or w/e.</p>

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<p>come on man, youre making us asians look bad</p>

<p>getting caught twice, and on a test? tsk tsk. i agree that suspension may be a little too harsh for cheating. if caught (theoretically), i would get a zero and lose my spot at the National Honor Society. </p>

<p>as for schools, good luck. be advised that colleges will not like the "w/e" attitude</p>

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<p>he does make a lot of valid points.</p>

<p>asians (pakistanis, chinese, korean, vietnamese, indian, etc) tend to be very competitive and a lot of cheating occurs.</p>

<p>You can't tlel me that you've never cheated on a hw assignment or saw an answer by accident. I believe every normal person has done so. Furthermore, the point he is making is that cheating is ingrained in Asian-American society because of the fierce competition between each other. You don't see it as much in high school, but its the asians who are your real competition. I'm not saying that cheating is right, I'm just saying that it is inevitable through the competition.</p>

<p>I have copied homework before 4 or 5 times in my entire school career and have let otehr kids copy me before. Most people have done this at least once (and if you think that most kids at ivies are perfect examples of society, think again) regardless of reason.</p>

<p>If it was something like a research project or presentation then that's completely different.</p>

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<p>Jawaad87, i agree with you completely. Things such as research projects and/or presentations are a completely different topic even tho technically they aren't. I thank both ghost and jawaad for understand what i meant to say. And for the w/e attitude, i mean that as "its done, there nothing i can do about it now, cept hope to improve me future"</p>

<p>Perhaps this discussion can futher evolve as more people give their comments and ideas about how they view cheating/plagurism (spelling?) and how our cultures look upon both aspects. Thanks for your ideas and comments</p>

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<p>Hey... You make koreans look bad (I am one). You're lacking AZN pride. Get help right away or you'll turn into an American! (GASP!~) ^_^;v good luck. Oh, and my view on cheating is that the cheating doesn't occur until someone catches you. By the way, I think it was very disgraceful to copy someone's summer work, you being an asian. I can understand someone copying/asking for help, but you need to die for copying and lowering the standards of Koreans.</p>

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<p>Especially if its for your stupid health class requirement that you don't really care about.</p>

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<p>This is why koreans bring other asians down.</p>

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<p>duke3d4.....</p>

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<p>shame on you breakernz. For being stupid enough to get caught.</p>

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<p>duke is seiorusly the worst CC poster ever. he's real sarcastic and ****es people off, disregard him</p>

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<p>jtran10 is seiorusly the worst CC poster ever. he's real sarcastic and ****es people off, disregard him</p>

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<p>how did u get caught copying summer hmwk o.0</p>

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<p>good luck getting into any college. you might have to do the community college thing.</p>

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<p>While I agree that cheating is "wrong" it's not uncommon. I know at my middle school we even had a network for homework cheating and specific places you could go to copy hw...you just bring hw for a class and turn it into the pile and take out whatever you need and copy that and then get yours back out of the pile.</p>

<p>I heard about tons of ways to cheat...on map tests kids made tiny tiny versions and stuffed them in their pencils...or notecards...anybody wearing a sweatshirt on test days were immediately suspicious. It got so bad at one point that for some of the worst cheating classes, kids had to put their backpacks in a different part of the room, take off most top layers(sweatshirts over t-shirts, for example), empty all their backpacks, etc. People developed all types of ways to cheat when grading hw. </p>

<p>For two science classes that I knew about, out of 40 kids, only 2 people didn't participate in the cheating rule on hw that was pretty much "give the person you're grading full points if they only missed one or two, or only take one or two off if they missed more. Only take suitable amounts off if there are blanks." Some got more sophisticated and kept pieces of paper out...and asked questions and wrote answers down as if taking notes, so that pencil marking wouldn't be suspicious as they changed multiple choice answers on homework...</p>

<p>Sometimes the ways ppl cheated were stupid and they got caught(printing out the exact same assignment but just changing names) but for the rest of the time, nobody got caught.</p>

<p>Although not an excuse, it's more the thinking behind why they did it...these ppl I knew were taking extremely difficult classes as part of the school's Gifted Program and the pressure from within and from parents was more than most kids could handle. </p>

<p>I know that when I got a B+ for the first time ever for a semester grade my parents were really angry(even though it was in the hardest class I've ever taken-AP is nothing in comparison). I got yelled at and periodiodically throughout the summer afterwards would be yelled at for it again. Lots of digs at how this grade demonstrated that I was horrible and how it was all my fault and how I was so lazy and how even though I was smart at academics I was stupid at life, etc. My report card was taken off the fridge for being "shameful". I broke down and cried during class when I got the grade-with all the pressures and expectations on me from my parents and even moreso, myself, I felt like I had let my parents and myself down. </p>

<p>I admit it, I cheated sometimes in middle school. I didn't ever take part of the homework trade, although I did let some of my friends have my hw. I accidentally(I swear it was an accident) saw answers on tests a couple times. I might have copied one or two assignments right before class if I forgot to do them. There's only one time in my mind that I flat out cheated on a test with the swappage of answers. Sure, I know it was wrong" but does it weigh on my conscience? I'm sorry to say that no, not really. </p>

<p>Oh, by the way everyone, I don't think that what ONE person does reflects on an entire ethnic group. What some kid of my race over in Oklahoma does has nothing to do with me.</p>

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<p>yea... i got suspended... being an indian sucked. cant wait to see what happens. although my suspension wasnt as severe as yours i was just suspended for playing games and stuff. but if u makes u feel better, i have cheated also. dont worry man, its not the end of the world, and i can say it coz i know how it feels.</p>

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<p>u can always transfer. </p>

<p>honestly, what you will be taking first semester is only general prerequisites. Your general bio classes, general chem classes, general calc classes, these are the BASICS. </p>

<p>these are lower level classes and can be seen with the 100s of people crammed into lecture halls for these.</p>

<p>so you're not oging to miss out ont hat much. Just transfer after 2nd semester (this is the best so they don't really look at your high school stuff), and you'll be fine.</p>

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<p>Heh. This is sort of a ridiculous thread. Dude, it's definitely going to hurt your chances ANYWHERE. Where are you applying?</p>

<p>By the way, you seem like a pretty intelligent kid... but you have such a bad attitude. When I read that you cheated I didn't lose respect for you because a lot of people do (I don't - but even some of the brightest kids I know have and do regularly). I did, however, lose a little respect when you attempted to justify it by stereotyping all Asians. By the way, I couldn't give two s h i t s whether you actually believe these things to be true, but I hope for your sake that when you wrote out your applications and had to answer the "were you ever suspended? if so, why?" question, you didn't write this garbage you wrote for the CC board. If you did, clown school or community college will be your safest bets. Despite all else, best of luck in your future endeavors.</p>