<p>Just fine GoBlu81. I never mention the PA scores anymore. I was chided enough about that in the past!</p>
<p>Why is it that every Michigan student/alum needs to have some huge inferiority complex. It's like you all are always trying to prove to yourselves and everyone else on here that you're intelligent. I dunno, it seems a little Michigan State style.</p>
<p>So we should just stand here while people talk **** (completely false ****) about our school? </p>
<p>It's not an 'inferiority complex,' it's about pride.</p>
<p>jec, who has the inferiority complex. How many Wolverines talk trash on the PSU or Duke forums? ZERO! Not a single Wolverine has every talked trash on another university's website. Now how about the other way around? I must have counted a half dozen in the last two years. Who has the inferiority complex? Who is obsessed with whose school?</p>
<p>"ProudWolverine, can you provide any evidence that Michigan is NOT a top 15 university? It's all talk, just like ring of fire. Michigan IS a top 15 university and Alexandre has provided time and time again ample evidence to substantiate that claim."</p>
<p>CCRunner, I'm just saying that it's really hard to precisely list the top 15 universities in the US, there're just too many excellent universities out there, Michigan included.</p>
<p>I considered talking trash on the PSU board once. I couldn't find it on CC's list of top universities, so I gave up. :-)</p>
<p>That's funny. I tried to find Michigan is the USNews top 25 and had the same problem. Get over yourself. It was a very legitimate observation.</p>
<p>What's a legitimate observation? JEC, we defend our school on our forum. That does not mean we have a complex. It is those who attack our school who have the complex.</p>
<p>^^^ the only reason i know of PSU is b/c it has the oldest landmark in the U.S....JoePa</p>
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<p>novi, how am I doing so far?
Oh please, you guys keep avoiding my criticisms. I'm talking about commitment to undergraduate education and student body strength, not volume of research or strength of graduate faculty. WUSTL and Notre Dame not peers of Michigan and Berkeley? You must beic out of your mind. WUSTL is the most improved university over the last decade and the strength of its student body slightly trails that of HYP and exceeds Stanford's. Notre Dame is the most prestigious Catholic school in the country and its alumni involvement is arguably stronger than that of any other school and its graduates experience the same financial success as HYP grads.</p>
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Oh please, grow up. Here's some reality for you:</p>
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<li>UMichigan is no longer ranked in the top 25 in USNews.</li>
<li>Your football team is 2-7 and is the laughing stock of the Big 10, which in itself is a weak and overrated conference.</li>
<li>Your basketball team lost to a MAC team and Harvard last year.</li>
<li>Michigan's state economy is going down the tubes and 2 of the Big 3 are about to declare bankruptcy, which means a million Michiganders(lot of whom are Michigan grads) will be unemployed shortly.</li>
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<p>Have fun being accountants and cheering on your hockey team Michigan grads!!</p>
<p>I'm going to have to agree with ring of fire, there's no way you can say Michigan is clearly better than WUSTL or Notre Dame, you could argue for either side being better.</p>
<p>Ring<em>of</em>fire, you have an inferiority complex. How else can you explain your obsessive need to post on this forum, even though no mention is ever made about your school. In fact, the only mention of Duke on this forum has been made in the highest of respect. I do not recall ever seeing a person disrespect Duke on this (or any other) forum. </p>
<p>sadly, your complex has nothing to do with Michigan. I suspect it has to do with the fact that Duke isn't as good as Harvard and a handful of other universities. I suggest you take it out on those schools and leave Michigan, which is guiltless in all this, out of it.</p>
<p>On a side note, the PA does not measure quality of research. It measures quality of, and commitment to, undergraduate education. The USNWR is very explicit and clear about that. In its own words, the USNWR defines the PA as follows:</p>
<p>"The US News ranking formula gives greatest weight to the opinions of those in a position to judge a school's UNDERGRADUATE ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE. The Peer Assessment survey allows for top academics - presidents, provosts and deans of admissions (i.e., highly experienced and well informed leaders in the academic world) - to account for intangibles such as faculty dedication to teaching." </p>
<p>In the lasts USNWR, 2,200 leading academics voiced their opinions. </p>
<p>And Ramen, nobody ever said Michigan was better than ND or Washington University. I think we can all agree that there is very little that separates the top 30 or 40 universities (top 60 or 70 if you include LACs). In my case, I said that if one were to conduct a poll among leading intellectuals and corporate recruiters around the entire country, Michigan would be more highly rated than either of those two universities. That does not make it better, only more well recognized.</p>
<p>Michigan is clearly better than WUSTL and Notre Dame.</p>
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Oh please, you guys keep avoiding my criticisms. I'm talking about commitment to undergraduate education and student body strength, not volume of research or strength of graduate faculty.
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I was responding to a direct quote from your post. Did you or did you not say the following on your earlier post?</p>
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Wash U., Notre Dame and Georgetown have national appeal that matches or exceeds Michigan and Berkeley. I can't think of a single educated person I know who wouldn't consider these schools to be among the top 20 in the country...
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These highly educated people in academia were responding to USNWR peer assessment survey on the undergraduate education of their peer schools.</p>
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<p>sadly, your complex has nothing to do with Michigan. I suspect it has to do with the fact that Duke isn't as good as Harvard and a handful of other universities. I suggest you take it out on those schools and leave Michigan, which is guiltless in all this, out of it.
Hold on a moment. I just came across this forum and posted on it a couple of times and since then, I have just been defending my claims. I'm not one to back down on an argument. You're disrespecting almost every top private school besides HYPSM by saying Michigan as good or better than them. We all know that's not true. Without explicitly doing it, you're subtly disrespecting Duke and a whole host of other schools when no data exists to back up any of your claims.</p>
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I wish someone who attends UMich could call this guy out on being a fool. Then, I would really believe that you guys just have simple school pride rather than huge egos.</p>
<p>Simple...no one from UMich would ever correct him because they truly believe that they are better. I went to Michigan freshman year as a safety and then transferred (didn't get into my dream school initially) and, while I love Ann Arbor and respect the university, it is not even close to WUSTL or Notre Dame. There are tons of smart students at Michigan--as there are at any state school of over 25,000 population--but there are a ridiculous amount of unintelligent people. Compare this to WUSTL and Notre Dame...there really aren't any stupid students. Heck, with an average ACT of only 29 and an acceptance rate of 50%, even the ND athletes could probably get accepted at Michigan straight up.</p>
<p>Don't mean to give off the impression of flaming, because Michigan is an awesome place, but some of the things said on these threads are insane.</p>
<p>Unintelligent people at Michigan? Someone with an obnoxious screen name is not in any position to be calling anyone stupid. What a callous and pompous statement to make.</p>
<p>"Hold on a moment. I just came across this forum and posted on it a couple of times and since then, I have just been defending my claims."</p>
<p>ring<em>of</em>fire, you have an inferiority complex. Your return has not been to defend one or two claims you made. You have posted first-time replies to several posts that had nothing to do with your institution or any other top private institution. Just from memory, I posted insulting and negative comments about Michigan without provocation in the in the following threads:</p>
<p>"Out Of State"
"Concerns about UMich"
"To Transfer, or Not To Transfer (HELP!!)"
"Toledo 13, Michigan 10"
"Michigan ranks high in all three World rankings"
"Ross vs Stern"
"And you thought Michigan was expensive"
"Michigan 27, Wisconsin 25"</p>
<p>And I am sure I can find several others. You don't simply post to defend claims you made in a couple of posts, you actually attack the university without provocation at almost every turn. You have unresolved issues you need to take care of.</p>
<p>"You're disrespecting almost every top private school besides HYPSM by saying Michigan as good or better than them. We all know that's not true."</p>
<p>We all know that's not true eh? Did someone send the a memo to the 2,200 university Presidents, Provosts and Deans of Admissions to tell them about ring<em>of</em>fire's decree? Seems like they were left out of the loop. According to them, Michigan is one of the top 10 undergraduate academic institutions in the US.</p>
<p>"Simple...no one from UMich would ever correct him because they truly believe that they are better."</p>
<p>Sux2BUCuzUNotMe, don't you believe that Notre Dame is better than Michigan? Don't most Notre Dame students think so? I think that is perfectly healthy. If students on a particular campus did not think their schools was excellent, it would be a seriously unhealthy campus. </p>
<p>That said, I for one do not think Michigan is better than Notre Dame for undergraduate education. I do believe Michigan is more well regarded in many areas, particularly in academe, and I do believe that Michigan is more well-rounded and better overall (when you consider quality of faculty and departments). But for undergraduate education, I believe they are roughly equal in quality.</p>