<p>“The fact still remains that MSU is known as a Party School, and Michigan is known for academics. You can argue with me all you want but do keep in mind that I didn’t make these reputations; the quality of the students who attend these Universities makes the reputation.”</p>
<p>I am a Michigan student and am woken up most football Saturdays at 8am by the frat down the street. I would argue that reputations aren’t everything.</p>
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Axion - Before I go on further with this pathetic excuse for a discussion, would you mind telling us what you’re majoring in?
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<p>I am majoring in Art History. I like drawing.</p>
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I actually took two classes at U of M. One was a calc class, one was an anthropology class. 4.0ed both of them, skipped probably 1/4 of the classes. There are classes both places that you can skip, and there are those that you can’t.
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<p>Care to tell me the name of the classes you took and the professor? </p>
<p>By the way: You people are very gullible.</p>
<p>Art history? That’s not going to help your cause Axion. MSU has a lot of students who care more about partying, but there are more that are more concerned with studying. Obviously more at UM are smarter and study harder, but State isn’t a bad school. It’s the 2nd best in Michigan. So stop making stupid arguments, especially when you are majoring in Art History. And before you call me a State slappy, I plan on going to UM next year.</p>
<p>My name is not Ramon, it’s Romani… But way to read… </p>
<p>And honestly, no I couldn’t tell you because I can’t remember. It was over two years ago. I can tell you it was math 115 and anthrcul 101 (I believe).</p>
<p>Axion - if you’re just screwing with us then… well played. </p>
<p>If not, I’m done arguing. I think we’ve (or at least I’ve) run out of anything useful to say at this point.</p>
<p>math 115 is one of the easiest math class at the school, and if you took it during the summer it is significantly easier. </p>
<p>Arguing that Michigan State academics can even begin to rival the University of Michigan is foolish, counterintuitive, and unsupported. </p>
<p>My only knock “against” MSU is that the environment is anti-intellectual from kids I’ve talked to who have transferred or have siblings there, and people I know who go there.</p>
<p>Objectively, you cannot rate University A as better than University B:</p>
<p>The Difficulty of the Undergraduate study is entirely dependent on:</p>
<p>A. Your Major
B. Your Professors
C. Your School</p>
<p>Even at a lower ranked University(Which I am not implying=Michigan State) you could potentially have a harder schedule with a horrible instructor.</p>
<p>For example, lets say you are majoring in Mathematics. Student A is a Math major and goes to University of Michigan Ann Arbor, Student B is a Math major and goes to Eastern Michigan University.</p>
<p>Student A is placed with the four easiest Math instructors at the University of Michigan.</p>
<p>Student B is placed with the four hardest Math instructors at Eastern Michigan university.</p>
<p>Guess who would have the the highest workload and hardest time getting the highest GPA? Student B. </p>
<p>Given that I have never actually taken a Math course at Eastern Michigan University I really couldn’t provide an accurate reference to compare to the classes I took at Michigan. Although any rational and objective person could see that a student who goes to a lower ranked University could have a potentially harder schedule and higher workload than someone who goes to a prestigious University. It all depends on how many A’s the professor wants to hand out.</p>
<p>There have been multiple articles about how the US Educational system has been in decline for a long time. In fact, I would point that Undergraduate education isn’t much more than a step above high school. Meaning that it really is high school 2.0. If people actually want to learn something a space is reserved for them in graduate school.</p>
<p>Given that most the people I have met at Michigan care much more about their social life’s and future job prospects(Many exceptions excluded) than intellectual development I wouldn’t categorize the Michigan students as any different from the students at Michigan State. </p>
<p>So, as far as I am concerned, there really isn’t any difference.</p>
<p>It would be difficult for you to sell me the MSU math department over Michigan’s. 'Nuff said as fair as I’m concerned. </p>
<p>And as Tyler said, 115 (aka Calc 1) is not a good measure of a difficult class at Mich. I’d say 116 would probably be more accurately described as a challenge, but some of my friends would laugh at me for the suggestion (I’m not in it, so I have no idea).</p>
<p>EDIT: Hey cool! The guy above me was talking about Math too! I’m not sure State has something like the Honors Math track. Which is probably UMich’s most difficult math program.</p>
<p>^I’m going to laugh at you for that suggestion.</p>
<p>I think a better comparison would be the 295-296-395-396 series to whatever the equivocal thing is at MSU. If we’re really comparing the Math program at Umich to MSU, it should be what the math majors take.</p>
<p>I think it would be difficult to find one class which overall speaks for the college, but Math 115 and Anthro 101 are definitely not close.</p>
<p>I never said they spoke for the school, I said those were the ones I happened to take and that was what I was basing my experience off of. As I said: </p>
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<p>My point was that you cannot generalize EITHER school, but way to take what I said WAY out of context. Oy vey.</p>
<p>Qwerty, I’m kinda IN 295… I didn’t think that would be a fair comparison since most colleges don’t allow Freshman to take analysis.</p>
<p>The “I would laugh at you” comment wasn’t meant to be offensive… So I hope you didn’t take it that way.</p>
<p>I don’t know anything much about the series (I’m not in it) but my point was that if you’re going to take a math class and compare it to another schools math class, it should be the class the math majors take, not the one that the German Literature majors take. </p>
<p>And romanigypsyeyes, I wasn’t directing that at you. I was more just saying in general, those two classes are not indicative of UMich’s classes.</p>
<p>I respect MSU. It’s a good college. But it’s not as good as UMich, for reasons in a previous post I made in this thread.</p>
<p>i disagree. From what i have heard, MS is better than UM</p>
<p>^ There is no such thing as one better than the other. Each one is better for a different type of student. Each one has stronger and weaker majors. To say one is flat-out BETTER than the other is doing a disservice to both universities.</p>
<p>Well…</p>
<p>The average starting salary for Michigan grads is higher than it is for MSU grads.
The average stats (GPA, ACT, such) for Michigan students is higher than it is for MSU students
Most people who get into both will pick Michigan over State. State is seen as a less desirable school than Michigan for MOST people.
Michigan’s programs are generally ranked higher than State’s.</p>
<p>But</p>
<p>State is slightly cheaper.</p>
<p>Overall, Michigan is better than MSU. Obviously MSU has some programs that are better than UM’s. But, overall, UM is a better school. Not everyone will like it, and MSU is a better fit for some students. No one can really argue that overall State is a better school.</p>
<p>No worries mate, I know it was a joke (which is why I gave an opportunity for it). And while I would agree with you about comparing top options, it doesn’t make sense to compare something that doesn’t exist at another college.</p>
<p>I think Honors Calc III/IV is a better comparison.</p>
<p>5 years late but whatever. UM’s starting salary being higher has more to do with the fact that more of their students are from out of state, and therefore get more jobs that are out of state where they have connections and wages are higher than anything else. It depends what you mean by “better”. The same companies recruit MSU that recruit UM - your google’s, Apple’s, Facebook’s, etc. The average stats at UM might be higher, but trust me, the average student at MSU is just as smart as the average student at UM. and MSU really isn’t that much cheaper. You’ll get a top notch education from both schools, and plenty of job opportunities from graduating either school. Making decisions based on rankings is stupid. Go where you feel comfortable.</p>
<p>also don’t worry what “most students” think. most graduates don’t care where you went and tend to respect all kinds of colleges, from community colleges to Harvard. A lot of high schoolers are stupid in terms of life experience and think all this stuff matters in the long run</p>
During my career I preferred Spartans over UM grads. We found like Duke Student Michigan grads interview very well but did not mix well with others. Generally speaking the level of arrogance was usually the problem. They don’t work well under managers from schools they’ve been told are inferior to Michigan. Reading these posts reminded me as to why we rarely recruited them purposely. We also notice the caliber of interviewes declined in the 90’s. They come highly touted but we chaulked that up to great marketing and a cool football helmet