<p>Which are the stats (average) of an International Undergraduate Student?</p>
<p>I think you can check out their website for that. However, last I checked, they only have stats pertaining to general students.</p>
<p>There really aren’t “average” stats. The numbers are so different depending on country, or even schools within countries, that there is no “average” profile. </p>
<p>Basically, we require you to take the TOEFL (or to do well on the SAT Verbal) and the SATs. </p>
<p>You may find this helpful: [MIT</a> Admissions: International Applicants: Helpful Tips](<a href=“http://mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/international_applicants_helpful_tips/index.shtml]MIT”>http://mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/international_applicants_helpful_tips/index.shtml)</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>Are School grades important? Every Country have a different system, and every school…Maybe a school is easier than other.</p>
<p>:( 
some unrelated words…I think MIT is very biased to foreign students. One of my friends has a green card, hmm, he was not as good as me in tests and researches and many EC stuffs, but he got in (EA), and I was not even allowed to apply EA. ~>_<~ and the less than 3% admission rate tells me the almost gospel truth that I can never get into MIT.</p>
<p>@edoardo: Of course. And again, of course MIT does take into account the differences between systems.
@dawncoming: I don’t think it’s that bad to be biased. Having a quota doesn’t mean they favor one type. Of course, they may like to take more int’l (MIT loves awesome people - this cannot be denied), but that’s against their policy. Personally I think this issue cannot be decided by MIT only (remember, MIT is in the US, so they have to follow the laws). So don’t blame someone when you aren’t sure if they are really biased as you said.</p>
<p>Dawncoming:
MIT, like many other schools, wants to build it’s own “mosaic” of diverse students at the school. So I wouldn’t look at their approach as quota-based or biased, but rather as healthy.</p>
<p>For you, 8 out of 10 is bad? Last year I got 7 out of 10, this year I should get 8. Considering there isn’t an average of 10 in all italy and 9 is uncommon…I am in the third year (3 out of 5)…of high school</p>
<p>@12npm12: ehh…I suppose you are right. Perhaps his essays impressed AOs or sth. like that. Maybe I have to get a green card when I go to graduate school. hehe:)</p>
<p>@edoardo: It depends on the system. In my country, it’s fairly good. Though I don’t have any proof, from everything I’ve heard, MIT is aware of different educational systems, so don’t worry. As long as you are in the top of your class, and strive hard to achieve something you love in life, you’re fine (and so just don’t pay too much attention to grades if they are already considered excellent in your country)</p>
<p>I think that Sat I and II are very important with them you can understand the school system. :)</p>
<p>^ Not really. SAT I is not required for int’l. Both tests can only examine the applicants’ knowledge in some fields, i.e. sciences and math for SAT II and English language for SAT I. So nothing about history, geography, literature, etc, right?</p>
<p>Secondly, since the tests are provided the same worldwide, how can we distinguish the curricula (not the systems) of two applicants who score 800? We cannot, even in the case that one scores 800 and the other scores 700. For example, in Math II, differential equations are not required, while trigonometry is. If the curriculum in one country focus heavily on differential equations and nothing about trigonometry, then there will certainly be an obvious difference in the score. However a 700 Math II is usually judged to be due to low ability in math.</p>
<p>But that’s just about the curriculum. A 700 Math II with straight As in the transcript might be judged to be due to grade inflation. However, once again, that might be wrong. A 700 Math II only say that the applicant’s math ability is quite low in the fields tested. The straight As in the transcript may say the applicant is so good at studying math in school, not due to grade inflation.</p>
<p>MIT once encourages me to ask my counselor to provide them a brief description of the system as well as the curriculum provided. I think they will take into account every factors, even from the past applications of applicants from my country/my school, to make the decision.</p>
<p>Edit: I think the standardized tests are only good for judging whether the applicant has the competence to learn and thrive at MIT. Of course, no one can be sure that someone with 1500/2400 SAT cannot succeed, but who guarantees?</p>
<p>are u guys serious?
MIT is one of the only good schools to still have AA…
they ARE discriminating against foreign students, and guys this isnt some USA policy.
Most other schools allow international students to choose not to take fin aid and be considered like any other applicant. MIT, however, chooses to give fin aid to everyone but ostracize the international applicants.</p>
<p>This is to ensure they take only the best international students and do not consider their financial background - many intl students decline opportunities to join great universities because their scholarship application failed etc.
AS SUCH. TAKE ME. im international, but im awesome. LOL</p>
<p>^ … what? MIT does not have Affirmative Action.</p>
<p>@5up3rG:
“this isnt some USA policy.”
Are you sure?</p>
<p>“Most other schools allow international students to choose not to take fin aid and be considered like any other applicant.”
Once again, are you sure that int’l are treated the same?</p>
<p>“MIT, however, chooses to give fin aid to everyone but ostracize the international applicants.”
That MIT overtly states they have a quota for int’l doesn’t mean the other schools do not have bias against int’l.</p>
<p>Anyway it’s about the policies, which we may never know. Whatever it is, the furthest we know is that MIT has the acceptance rate for int’l is 3%, the quota for int’l is about 8% and is need-blind.</p>
<p>Someone who’s better than I am at probability compute the chance that a given CC thread devolves into a debate over affirmative action. </p>
<p>(I’m betting it’s >25%)</p>
<p>@PiperXP: "… what? MIT does not have Affirmative Action. "
I don’t get it.
[MIT</a> Admissions: Affirmative Action](<a href=“http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/affirmative_action/index.shtml]MIT”>http://www.mitadmissions.org/topics/apply/affirmative_action/index.shtml)</p>
<p>From that page:</p>
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<p>Affirmative Action, as I see it used by people in general, goes much farther than “this is one of the things we look at as part of our holistic admissions”. There are no quotas, there is no taking the under-qualified because they are excused due to their race. If you consider Affirmative Action to be them asking about race at all, are they also doing AA with activities, awards, recommendation letters, family members, gender, scores, essays? Seems silly at that point to label these all sorts of Affirmative Actions.</p>
<p>Holistic admissions is about taking as much as they could know about the person into consideration. Race is one of these.</p>
<p>well. they do.</p>
<p>We do consider ourselves an “affirmative action” school. However, as PiperXP notes, we read “holistically.” </p>
<p>We do not, for example, award a set number of points based on what your race or ethnicity is (as other schools have done). We simply use your race or ethnicity - like geography, language, and everything else - to determine who you are, and how well you’ve done, in your context.</p>