<p>Quotes by Profmom2:
"The "math" to fill the incoming class has been discussed at lengths on this forum. If you do the math, they would never fill the incoming class to 1200+ plebes, so "other" things must be happening."</p>
<p>"The Law may dictate one thing but in practice ...."</p>
<p>"This is not a staightforward prococes and I beleive, as do many others, that the Academy doesn't really want you to be able to figure out the "system."</p>
<p>The "math" as described by Title 10, US Code will fill a class of 5000 as well as a class of 500. Maybe I should ask you the question I asked shogun, have you ever heard of the six blind Indians. Just because it has been discussed, doesn't mean the conclusion was accurate.</p>
<p>The Academy follows the law explicitely in awarding appointments. No matter what conspiracies you believe, they do it by the book.</p>
<p>Again, it is very straight forward. Read the federal law. There are no conspiracies. The only thing I will grant you is a possiblity that the CGO, in an effort to alleviate the last minute crush, may go ahead and award appointments to very highly competitive candidates and sort out the nomination source later. I do not know this for a fact but I would not fault them in view of what they have to handle each year. My son, prior to admissions, was listed as a sports recruit, during plebe year as a presidential, and, upon graduation, on his academic transcript as a congressional. It does take them a while to sort it out, but it is by federal law.</p>
<p>And Sir I ask you the same question: have you ever heard of the six blind Indians. Just because it has been discussed, doesn't mean the conclusion was accurate. </p>
<p>You seem to indicate that you are the only one on this forum the "Knows." In fact on another forum you indicated that this forum was full of false information. </p>
<p>This is just that, a discussion board with many different valid opinions, truths, or facts. In your words: Just because you have entered the discussed, doesn't mean that your conclusion was accurate either.</p>
<p>I back up my argument with federal law. Go read it. You back up your argument with conspiracy theory. Go figure. Hence my statement on the other forum.</p>
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I never said anything about is being in connection to LOA's. I just know from our experience that our Son was not charged against his MOC's and was taken off of their slates when he received his LOA.
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<p>I agree 100 percent with USNA69. The academy is required to comply with all statutes as codified in Title 10 United States Code.</p>
<p>To receive an appointment a candidate must obtain a nomination. If Profmom2's son was not charged against a MOC quota, then he would have most likely received an appointment from the national pool of qualified alternates. What does removed from MOC's slate mean - either he received an appointment or he didn't, plain and simple?</p>
<p>USNA69 is absolutly correct. Candidates who do not recieve the appt directly from the MOC (the best out of the 10 will, regardless of other circumstances), the other 9 go into a national pool of qualified alternates. All of these quality alternates have nominations, but were not chosen as primary candidates and will not count as one of the MOC's 5 that can be at the academy at any one time. This national pool is then simply ranked 1 - x, and the academy will then simply go down the list sending out appt's until they reach a class size of 1200. </p>
<p>REMEMBER, that this national pool STILL requires a nomination to get into. The MOC 5 at the academy law is designed to guarentee at least some degree of geographical diversity as each MOC is guarenteed at least one of their 10 will be admitted, however the national pool gives candidates from competitive areas a chance to shine if they are better than candidates from less competitive districts.</p>
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Multiple MOC nominations to the same academy are not uncommon, even in states like California and New York.
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<p>well not to stir the pot after things have cooled off... :rolleyes: </p>
<p>but multiple noms to the same academy in NY are indeed rare.... just too many applicants.... and the MOC's all compare "notes" as to who is on whose list- of that I am absolutely, 100%, positively sure....</p>
<p>if you got a dual nom to the same academy, you should buy yourself a lotto ticket, 'cause lady luck is with you!</p>
<p>what you can get, although still very few do, is noms for multiple academies... two, maybe, and even harder, three... have not heard of four, but who knows.... if you are out there, please do pick some lucky numbers for me before 11pm.... ;)</p>
<p>As I stated: 2 Nominations, 1 appointment, who he is charged against seems to be the debate. No conspiracy theory...no indication that the Law was being broken, just an observation to the facts as they have been presented to us by our MOC and Admissions.</p>
<p>GA: He was not removed from the slate for the purpose of a nomination, just that he did not compete for the appointment on "that" slate, and has not been charged to either of his nominating sources quota of 5. That being said, he is obviously from the "pool" at large, whatever that really means.</p>
<p>The implication that I am getting is that if you are not the "primary" that you will wait until you "number" comes up in the national pool. The LOA implies that your number has already come up, your in as long as you complete what the Academy has asked you to complete - in his case the nomination, and don't worry about the rest.</p>
<p>I think the misunderstanding here is what an LOA really means. It is NOT some godsend that is seperate from the process, but rather a carefully calculated system that USNA knows will work. i.e. persons with x WPM score and x activites will be in the top x% of the national pool, thus they can recieve a LOA. </p>
<p>A LOA is not a "get-in-free" card, but essentially what USNA thinks of your profile, and since the same people who give out LOA's and appt's, it is certain that if you recieve an LOA you will recieve an appt, because both are ranked in the same manner. </p>
<p>LOA's is a public statement that the academy knows you have the stats to make it into the academy.</p>
<p>Anyway, thats my opinion that I have derived from reading just about all the threads in this forum (I admit to skipping a few GA sports posts :), articles written by DoD researchers, and just about any book with "Naval Academy" in it.</p>
<p>Suffice it to say, the LOA process is confusing, at best, and the Academy is holding their cards tightly. What is specifically "guaranteed" (exact wording) of the LOA is a guarantee of admission provided you finish all aspects of the application process as requried. What the nomination portion of it is and how it is charged back is somehow worked out behind closed doors at the SA in question and apparently riddled with a series of jockeying of candidates. Suffice it to say that if you have an LOA, you are sitting in very good shape. If you have an LOA and have a nomination, you are in even better shape. If you have an offer of appointment - you are in the door. </p>
<p>Question: Anyone out there get an LOA, a nomination, medically qualified and not get appointment (asking the 2010's and prior since the 2011's don't yet have all appointments in)? I would be interested in finding out if that has occured and if so, the particulars. In our conversations with admissions, when they sent D her LOA they tell us that they made a promise to her and she is in the door unless she does something stupid (like get arrested).</p>
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In our conversations with admissions, when they sent D her LOA they tell us that they made a promise to her and she is in the door unless she does something stupid (like get arrested).
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<p>Or something stupid like getting a tattoo or pregnant. :(</p>
<p>She sure has ^@%#$ better not do one of them - well, or get arrested!! Hmm - I think we're pretty safe on that score. Only possible risk is becoming "un-bubblewrapped". She tells me that just to be double sure, she has bubblewrapped her CAR too so that if in an accident she has two layers of bubblewrarp and thus is even more protected. ha ha ha - if only it worked that way.</p>
<p>USNA69 you wrote that "Your link describes LOAs being administered before the application process is complete. If this is true, why have an application process? "</p>
<p>My D received her USMA LOA about 3 months before her application process had been completed (DODMERB, recommendations, etc). Her USNA LOA came just prior to the application being complete and within a few days of her BGO interview. Both offers of appointment came within a week of each other about 1 week after her MOC interviews, just prior to xmas. She had two noms for USMA (senator and rep) and one nom for USNA (rep). This was in the summer of 2004. </p>
<p>I think there is some confusion still with the way nominations go down (on my part as well) and perhaps it is deliberately set up that way. Regardless, it is a gruelling application process. Good Luck to all and thanks to all for their input!!! </p>
<p>We're still waiting on word from the Naval Academy, but today our son was notified by our senator's office that he has won an appointment to the Air Force Academy. He was told the appointment will be mailed on 29 January. </p>
<p>That came as a bit of a surprise for two reasons: first, he apparently won his appointment via a senate nomination which, by the numbers, was the hardest nomination to win; and second, he received an early appointment without an LOA. I'm guessing that his scholastic profile was not quite strong enough for an LOA between Oct-Dec, but once everything was in (including the CFA, which was submitted on 4 Jan) his total package scored high enough to merit an early appointment well in advance of March, which is when the majority of appointments are made.</p>
<p>We know the Naval Academy uses a true rolling admissions procedure. But apparently the Air Force does too, perhaps to a lesser extent.</p>