<p>I intend to move to NYC soon, and I want to study music education and after that, study music therapy.</p>
<p>I'm afraid I really have no idea which schools better / worse / considered better / worse than others. I want the undergraduate degree of course.</p>
<p>NYU is out of the question because of the crazy tution. But other than that, I'm open to suggestions.</p>
<p>I'd really appreciate some recommendations for places, because I really have no idea.</p>
<p>If you provide a bit more information regarding your academic background, musical discipline, experiences and level of training it would be helpful in offering options. What geographic radius around NYC is within your parameters?</p>
<p>Wonder what the time to establish residency is in NY? Once you are a resident you can get an education at a reasonable rate. NYC is going to be expensive no matter what. </p>
<p>Moving not NYC is also very vague. Usually that means living in Jersey or some other commuter area. You might want to be more specific as to if you are actually in NYC as in Manhattan, etc. These guys here will give you tons of good information.</p>
<p>Music education you should find a good school with little problem. Depends on what you consider expensive.</p>
<p>my academic background is a high school diploma, and about 4 years of piano and music training. my discipline, is a bit general, I’m into classic jazz, blues, classical.
my level, I suppose, would be intermediate - although it might be less influential in the admission stage, because I am able to play pieces far more advanced than my “level”.</p>
<p>the geographical is a bit tricky I’m afraid. I do intend to live in NY city itself, probably not jersey. not sure if manahattan or not, but not in jersey, but I do intent to live in NYC itself.</p>
<p>I’ll be very happy to just receive suggestions, opinions and general ratings regarding school in NYC / something close to NYC, as I’m not sure where I’m going to live in NYC yet, but again - I know it will probably not be jersey. Commute is not an issue, I don’t have an issue traveling each day to the place I study in… as long as it not hours at a time…</p>
<p>about expensive - well, yes, NYU is too expensive. I suppose that 15-20 grand per year would be my really upper limit on tuition.</p>
<p>Thank you all so much. Looking forward for your informative replies! :)</p>
<p>Are you a NY state resident? A resident of a neighboring state? That will have impact on finding choices in the $ range you specify. </p>
<p>Are you looking first for a program that will train you to achieve a teaching certificate in music within a k-12 public school setting in NY state? That is what a music education degree provides. Preference of concentration: general music ed, choral, instrumental?</p>
<p>Are you looking for a program that might allow you to also study music therapy concurrently as a second or dual degree? </p>
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<p>Confidence in your ability is a definite plus going into any audition based admit process, but make sure you have non-biased professional level assessment as to your skill set. Do not underestimate the level of talent that will comprise your competition within any particular audition pool.</p>
<p>most likely I will not be a resident of NY or neighboring state.</p>
<p>yes, I want something to certify me to teach in all k-12 schools as you’ve mentioned, and I’m not sure I want general music ed or instrumental yet. let’s say instrumental (unless there’s a huge difference and then maybe you could explain?)</p>
<p>and I want a program that will allow me after the first degree, to go study music therapy. after the first degree, not while the first degree probably.</p>
<p>“I suppose, would be intermediate - although it might be less influential in the admission stage, because I am able to play pieces far more advanced than my “level”.”</p>
<p>I am curious to what that means to you? If you can play advanced pieces as they should be played why do you consider yourself intermediate?</p>
<p>There are many knowledgeable people here that will give you some names of schools but from what one said the other day if you have not established residency the schools maybe a bit expensive. That is why I brought up that issue. I am guessing 1 year as a NY state resident before you get instate rates that would be affordable. Where if you have to pay out of state rates it may not fit your budget. If you are moving from another part of NY state you are probably all set.</p>
<p>Moving to NYC to get a music ed degree probably makes things far more difficult and expensive for you not to mention the cost of living in NYC. As to the commute? You may want to make sure you take a look at what you are in for, it could be a major issue depending on what part you live in and what part the school is in.</p>
<p>I understand. But since I do not have other options currently, just moving to NYC - I’m looking to understand my options.
I don’t know yet where exactly I’m going to live in NYC, that’s why I’m looking to explore all possible schools in the area, and decide later.</p>
<p>To clarify you are not looking to live at the school. You have a place to live and will commute? You are an intermediate piano player looking for a decent school in NYC to get a music ed degree with tuition under 20K per year.</p>
<p>about living at the school - let’s say I’ll exhaust any other option (bust my ass working / live in 600-700 bucks rent aparments) before living in dorms.</p>
<p>I’m not versed in the effects of international admissions. Each institution has its own requirements as to how many internationals they admit to achieve their own specific “make-up” and the aid/scholarship opportunities vary widely from nothing to what some might deem paltry. There are schools that do provide some excellent funding to internationals, but they tend to be in the upper echelons of the most prestigious institutions. As a top flight music performance candidate, it is not impossible to get a significant “package”, but once again these are extremely competitive and very institution specific. There is a seperate CC forum for internationals that may better explain the pitfalls of admissions and funding.</p>
<p>I’m not aware of any such generosity in any music ed program.</p>
<p>Look at some of the CUNY schools: Hunter College, Queens College (Aaron Copeland School of Music). Hunter has a combined BA/MM path in music ed. Queens offers a BA with a concentration leading to music teacher certification. Historically, the CUNY’s and SUNY’s are relatively inexpensive options for state/city residents, but you will have to identify the specifics as to their admission criteria and costs for internationals. Both Hunter and Queens are respected in producing qualified music educators.</p>
<p>Look also at Western Connecticut State. Small but excellent music ed program, direct train to NYC (the station is a block from the campus). Probably an hour and a half train ride from NYC. </p>
<p>Consider getting your music undergrad degree in your home country. It might be infinitely
less expensive, and you could come to the States for masters level music ed work (which is virtually a requirement for continued employment and salary bumps) in most k-12 public settings.</p>
<p>Wow, thank you so much for all the information.
I’ll take a day or two to process it all and probably will have questions for your knowledgable kind :)</p>
<p>I’m afraid moving to NYC after my finishing a degree here is impossible for me - the reason I’m moving, is because my new found love of my life studies in NYU :)</p>
<p>My guess is that you would want to do this is a secondary pursuit, or as a potential Master’s level program. Off the top of my head, I don’t think there are any schools within the immediate NYC area that offer music therapy, I could well be wrong. The links in the thread can point you in some directions for imformation.</p>
<p>If your love interest is going to NYU and presumably not living in your $600 a month NYC apartment with you, maybe you could consider living and going to school outside of NYC and commuting into the city on the weekends to share time together. You could get a much better place to live and maybe a better school and save money. Just an idea to consider. Have you looked into what $600 a month will get you in NYC? Or are you plannning on sharing the apartment with 3 others all paying 600? I have heard of people paying $15K a year for a place to park their car in NYC.</p>
<p>I just want to clarify for you that teacher licensure and certification is individually regulated in each of the fifty states. Once initial licensure has been established, it is a fairly easy and inexpensive process to recertify in another state. Parameters and requirements are detailed on each state’s Department of Education webpages. There may be some individual requirements imposed by any particular state, which usually can be made up by the addition of a specific course or two. The process is not regulated/governed by a national certification body.</p>
<p>Licensure and certification is necessary in publically funded k-12 settings. It is typically not required to teach music in privately funded schools, community music schools or to teach music privately as an instructor in a private studio setting.</p>
<p>It’s also part of the CUNY system, and has a music ed degree path. Again, like the other CUNY’s the key is understanding the parameters, requirements and financial aspects as an international student. The tuition and fees for the CUNY portal website are here [Tuition</a> & Fees - Undergraduate Studies - The City University of New York](<a href=“http://web.cuny.edu/admissions/undergraduate/tuition-fees.html]Tuition”>http://web.cuny.edu/admissions/undergraduate/tuition-fees.html). You should be able to find what other info you need regarding international admissions within the portal, as well as the specific music ed requirements for each of the programs.</p>
<p>I can’t speak to the piano faculty. I have no expertise to comment. There are some “big names” on other instruments from the NYC metro area who also teach at Juilliard, Yale SOM, Mannes, Manhattan, Purchase, and more.</p>
<p>Check the admission requirements. Audition versus non audition, or the rep suggested for audition requirements. Also academic stats requirements and if there is institution specific criteria. I’m not versed in exactly hoe the CUNY admission works, whether it is system wide or school specific process. The CUNY portal should walk you through it.</p>
<p>I thought there was a seperate cc forum for CUNY (there is one for SUNY), but I can’t locate it.</p>
<p>Perhaps others here have more info. You might want to pm pageturner, a NY state music educator. She may have input.</p>
<p>If your main squeeze knows some music ed students or music students at NYU , you might be able to glean additional info there, or she may be able to get some input from the music ed department at NYU if she explains the situation. </p>
<p>I hope these may work out. Happy to have helped.</p>