Music Theory Major Schools

<p>I'm having a hard time looking for a school with a good Music Theory major/program. I need some suggestions, help, advice, etc. I haven't started applying anywhere, but this is my current list.</p>

<p>-Occidental College
-Oregon State
-Pepperdine
-CSU LA
-CSU Long Beach
-Hawaii Pacific
-Stanford
-Tufts
-Boston University
-Michigan State</p>

<p>This list was picked at random, but I need a real list now. I'm hoping to major in Music Theory, and minor in Asian Studies or Pre-Law. Please help!</p>

<p>What are your interests, focus and goals as a theory major? Is the plan an academic one on a PhD track, or are you coming from the perspective of a potential music composition pursuit?</p>

<p>Honestly, it will make a tremendous difference in where to focus, as well as the actual admittance process. As you mention pre-law or Asian studies as an minor pursuit, my assumption is you have no interest in the stand alone conservatories. </p>

<p>Theory/musicology/and composition can be found most anywhere from small LAC’s, a number of the Ivy and Ivy-like programs, universities with attached music schools/conservatories, as well as the straight conservatories. Pointing to options from which to assemble a short-list requires more input as to your needs.</p>

<p>You need to spend some time here [Music</a> Major - College Confidential](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/]Music”>Music Major - College Confidential Forums) and post some more detail, both stats and grades, as well as a bit more background on your prior musical training and experiences. If you are unfamiliar with the audition/portfolio driven admit process, this is a perspective <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/258796-so-you-want-music-major-one-familys-experience.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/258796-so-you-want-music-major-one-familys-experience.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Based on your intended major, I’ve requested the moderators move your thread there. </p>

<p>You need to know the differences in a BA versus a BM.
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/991007-difference-between-bachelor-music-bach-arts.html?highlight=bachelor[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/991007-difference-between-bachelor-music-bach-arts.html?highlight=bachelor&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://www.arts-accredit.org/site/docs/AQ-M/B_BM-MusicTheory.pdf[/url]”>http://www.arts-accredit.org/site/docs/AQ-M/B_BM-MusicTheory.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>These should give you some ideas.
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/497283-best-schools-music-composition.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/497283-best-schools-music-composition.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;
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<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/749881-best-liberal-arts-college-music-program-composition.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/749881-best-liberal-arts-college-music-program-composition.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/544975-ideas-composition-ba-non-conservatory.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/544975-ideas-composition-ba-non-conservatory.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;
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<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/834890-differences-theory-programs.html?highlight=theory[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/834890-differences-theory-programs.html?highlight=theory&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/692155-music-composition-theory.html?highlight=theory[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/692155-music-composition-theory.html?highlight=theory&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/191502-ivy-top-liberal-arts-school-w-good-composition-theory-program.html?highlight=theory[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/191502-ivy-top-liberal-arts-school-w-good-composition-theory-program.html?highlight=theory&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Taku - are you sure you don’t mean University of Michigan School of Music for theory? Michigan State is a great school and all, but University of Michigan is one of the highest rated music theory programs for graduate work in the U.S. (eg. in an old ranking, was next to Yale for theory…they don’t do the rankings anymore, but I am pretty sure it remains very very high on the list of top theory programs.)</p>

<p>And if you did mean Michigan State, then I would suggest you add University of Michigan to your list.</p>

<p>kmccrindle is right in that UMich has one of the stronger music departments in the country, one that competes with many of the major independent music conservatories. Its music department is definitely considered to be better than State.</p>

<p>Boston University has a strong College of Fine Arts that is well regarded for music, but will also be quite selective in its admission process of auditions.</p>

<p>Tufts offers a very selective joint degree program with the New England Conservatory of Music, which is also in Boston and a very well known music school, although I am not sure if you can gain admission there just as an undergraduate theory major.</p>

<p>If you’re really interested in music theory, there are a number of things you must consider:</p>

<p>First, are you looking for a BMus in Theory or a BA in music? Because when applying to graduate school, the degrees are seen in a very similar light. If you plan on a BMus, then you have to audition at a school for a piano proficiency exam and have an interview, and I mean actually fly out to the school in order to be considered for acceptance. At a conservatory, you are expected to play a lot of music, and if you’re not auditioning on a different instrument, a level of piano ability is expected. </p>

<p>I hate to say it, but the schools that you’ve listed are not, by any means, universities with top music theory programs in the country. For example, the faculty at UC Berkeley or UCLA in musicology/music theory is, in my opinion, far superior to that at Stanford. I mean, we’re talking about Richard Taruskin and Susan McClary, two huge names in music scholarship. U of O has a super strong jazz program with Steve Larson, one of the top four music theorists publishing about jazz, definitely stronger than OSU. </p>

<p>And I hate to ruin your college list, because the colleges/universities listed are great places to study music, but if you’re looking for the best place to study music theory, even a joint degree at NEC and Tufts won’t provide the best of the best. </p>

<p>If you’re interested in a music school, I highly recommend Eastman (has a bmus in theory) or New School (for Schenkerian analysis), and if you can get in on an instrument, Indiana offers a double major in music theory. </p>

<p>Large universities: look at the faculty. Smart professors bring in smart grad students. Columbia is really good, so is Yale (having arguably the best grad program in the country), and outside of the UC schools mentioned, public universities like UW, New Mexico, and UWisconsin have some very influential faculty members. </p>

<p>As for smaller colleges, and I’m really just thinking of where good scholars are teaching, Williams College, Swarthmore College, Oberlin (has a music school, don’t think they offer a bmus in only theory) would all be excellent. </p>

<p>Again, the list you have might be the best places for you to study music, and like most scholars, majoring in music at a university/college you’re interested can be the best way to further your music theory knowledge. However, the list simply doesn’t exemplify the best places for music theory. Some conservatories have fantastic music theory programs (eastman, indiana, mannes) and others practically neglect the academic study of theory (berklee, nec, cal-arts, etc). There’s a huge difference between a “good music theory program” and the best music theory program. Look at the faculty at the college/university. Where did they get their phds? Yale? Eastman? CUNY? Where have they been published? JMT? Music Theory Spectrum? Asking these questions will inevitably direct you to the best departments, but if you can find a couple people at the school who share researching interests (is it jazz? neo-reimannian theory? schenker? history? contemporary music?) then it might be a good fit. See if these professors teach undergraduate courses. Sometimes the mere existence of a phd program in music theory at the school is enough to bring in smart professors and students, so that’s definitely something to look out for.</p>

<p>Theorygeek has given you great advice.
I do want to correct a slight misrepresentation I made – for undergraduate theory majoring, if you haven’t had college level theory already, you cannot technically declare/apply for theory as your BMus major at University of Michigan SOM – meaning you access the degree while pursuing a BMus or comp degree, or that you’ve already had advanced theory experience and proficiency on keyboard. On the graduate level, for the phd in composition and theory you also have to have proficiency in two additional languages.
If you want more information about the undergrad and graduate degrees there, here’s a link: [UM</a> School of Music, Theatre & Dance - Department of Music Theory - Degree Programs](<a href=“http://www.music.umich.edu/departments/mustheory/bm.htm]UM”>http://www.music.umich.edu/departments/mustheory/bm.htm)</p>

<p>One thing to mention - true music theory majors at the undergraduate level are rare, even if indeed offered by a school, which is also rare. Most professional (read: college professors) music theorists tend to have studied either composition or performance during college and then got their doctorates in music theory.</p>

<p>newccuser, maybe you’re hinting at this, but more than studying composition or performance, most professors of music theory studied composition AND performance with a BA in Music degree. It is rarer to see a BMus degree holder teach music theory (which is likely because there are way more BAs in music given than BMus).</p>

<p>Theorygeek - You joined this Forum in 2007 as a freshman which means, I believe, that you’re a Senior now! Where are you thinking of applying yourself? We’ll all be following your path with encouragement, support & congratulations, I’m sure.</p>

<p>I don’t know that I would agree with <em>most</em> profs having a BA background instead of a BMus background, at least, if he meant that same was not obtained at a conservatory, at all. McSon’s theory teachers have collectively been pretty evenly divided from a wide range of conservatories and then masters/phd. Eg. his prof last year was from Julliard and also held a masters in piano. Another prof of his studied at CIM. That said, I think one of his favorites was from University of Chicago, which is not a “school of music” but does have an awesome composition program. So I don’t think you can categorically say that most music theory profs started with a BA.
Logically speaking, BA programs generally aren’t designed to cover the same depth as a BMus or BMA, the latter of which have a highly programmed sequence which allows for (and requires) fewer general distribution credits. I guess it depends on the circumstance, since you could generalize with a BA and then obviously concentrate with the masters and phd, so perhaps it truly doesn’t matter which road you start on.</p>

<p>One further note re the OPs mention of a major-minor or dual degree. That is possible at UMich via the Bachelor of Musical Arts program, which is another avenue to theory study at the undergraduate level.</p>

<p>EDIT: I lied. Current favorite theory prof actually studied at Princeton and Yale, so yes, he would have started with a BA. But they do seem pretty evenly split at his particular school.</p>

<p>kmccrindle, you could be right, but I think it’s fair to say that a very small number of people get BMus degrees in music theory, thus the number of professors with BMus in theory is likely small. However, it’s not uncommon for people in performance tracks to decide to go into theory, that’s for sure. </p>

<p>SpiritManager, thanks for being so interested!! I’m just looking at BA programs in music at some of schools I’ve listed above. Although it would be fun to pursue a BMus in theory, I don’t think I can solely study music for four years.</p>

<p>For obtaining a professorial position teaching music theory at a college/university/conservatory, believe me, it is far more important what your doctoral degree is than what your bachelor’s is!</p>

<p>How’s the music theory or music composition program at the university of arizona? I’ve been searching a lot but apparently failed to find anything regarding how good it is.</p>

<p>Please answer anyone help?</p>

<p>most undergraduate music BA degrees are general - including some music history, some theory, and some ethnomusicology and performance.
As far as the specific discipline of music theory, many schools have composition professors or adjuncts teaching those courses - those schools include UC Berkeley, which, like most schools west of the mississippi, don’t include faculty with PhDs in music theory. Colleges with strong music theory programs include CUNY, Yale, Harvard, and Oberlin, which has a large and very strong music theory program in the conservatory, where students can double major (though the requirements for doing so are so stiff that it is rare for students to actually complete the major).</p>

<p>I know IPFW in Fort Wayne, Indiana has a good program. Check out <a href=“http://www.musictherapy.org%5B/url%5D”>www.musictherapy.org</a>. :)</p>