My Advice to Non-Top Ten/OOS Juniors Applying to UT

<p>I think a thorough advice thread is needed to help kids out, especially those who aren’t too familiar with the admissions process at UT. So I will give my advice here.</p>

<p>I was admitted under the Top Ten law, so I didn’t have to feel a lot of stress in applying. But I really want to help people understand how to play the system so they can get in. So here is what I suggest you do.</p>

<li><p>Read this document. It is the official methodology which UT will use to evaluate you. If you don’t understand it, you can’t maximize your chances for admission. <a href=“http://www.utexas.edu/student/admissions/research/HB588-Report10.pdf[/url]”>http://www.utexas.edu/student/admissions/research/HB588-Report10.pdf</a></p></li>
<li><p>GET YOUR RANK UP! Class rank is the single most important factor in getting in to UT. As a general rule, you would need approx. top 15% of your senior class to have a strong chance. If your ranks, do whatever you need to do to get your rank as high as possible. If your school does not, they will use the school profile to determine an approximate rank. IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT THIS IS AS HIGH AS POSSIBLE. If you aren’t in the top 20, forget about it. If you are, you need to be as close to the top ten as possible. If you are OOS, you REALLY need to be top ten.</p></li>
<li><p>You need a higher SAT than you think. To have average chances, you would need a 1250 instate, and a 1300 OOS. To have strong chances, you really need a 1300 instate and a 1350-1400 OOS. For ACT, this means a 29 English and 29 Math to have an average chance and 31s to have a strong chance. Also, UT does not care about your writing scores at all, so don’t worry. UT also doesn’t care about your science ACT score. They look only at English and Math.</p></li>
<li><p>Your ECs need to be better than they are now. I’m sure you think they are killer, and they are likely very good, but EVERYONE will have very good ECs. You need to be a leader in your activies. You need A LOT of community service. Many people tend to overestimate their own strength in this area. Look at your resume now, and think, “What can I add to what I already have to strengthen this?” Is there a club you are in that you aren’t a leader in? Become one. Is there research you can do that’s relevant to your intended major? This is the one area that I think kills many applicants. You won’t get in with poor academics and great ECs. BUT if your ECs aren’t great, it can take you from in to out. Most OOS kids accepted are going to be in the same range academically, so the leadership is what makes them stand out. The application does not ask for a separate resume, and you don’t need to send one. They prefer that you don’t, unless you are applying for honors.</p></li>
<li><p>Get your application in early! The earlier you get it in, the more likely you hear back early. Also, with the changes they are making, you also can apply for housing earlier and are more likely to get a good room in a nice dorm and not be stuck in Jester. Don’t rush it, but don’t wait until the last minute. However, don’t expect to hear back until March though. You MAY hear back early, but you probably won’t.</p></li>
<li><p>Take your time and write good essays! They are almost as heavily weighted as your resume, and you can make a big difference in a short period of time, unlike a rank or resume. Have your teachers proof them multiple times. Have your counselor look at them if you trus him/her. Have friends look at them. Do NOT let your parents look at them. They do not know what UT want to hear, and more often than not you hear of a mom destroying a good essay by momifying it (no offense, Moms). Do not be afraid to be unique or original. They will only take a few minutes on them and rate them. It won’t be like Harvard where a profound essay can get you in, but a 6 on your essays give you a much better chance than 3s or 4s. Do not be afraid to be political. Do be afraid to take it too far. The staff leans left but will give you a good look no matter what your stance is if it is appropriate. Don’t just go on a crusade, though. Make sure you make sense and give fair coverage to each side. But let your opinion stand out.</p></li>
<li><p>Do not waste time getting recs specifically for UT. UT does not ask for them nor care for them. They won’t read them for the most part, as they can’t improve your score. If you are applying for honors, disregard this statement.</p></li>
<li><p>By all means, apply for honors, but be willing to get rejected. The honors programs at UT (except LAH) are as hard or harder to get in to than Ivies. Your essays and ECs need to be even more stellar than the norm. You also will need an actual resume to submit, as well as strong reccomendations. Take extra time on the essays, they make a HUUUUUUUGE difference in whether you get in. Don’t blow off the separate honors app either. Be serious, yet honest.</p></li>
<li><p>Rank a Liberal Arts or Natural Science major as your second choice. Rank ANY other college first. They DO care. If you rank business second, you will not get in. Period. Do not rank communications second. You will not get in. You will be considered for Undeclared if you don’t get in your top choices, but you have a MUCH better chance if COLA or CNS are in your top two. Some majors, though, such as Econ, are fairly competitive. Rank something bland and unpopular as a choice. You can always change it later.</p></li>
<li><p>Summer Freshman Class is an amazing opportunity you should not give up. Due to the top ten law, they can’t take you up front. They just need you to prove yourself early so they can consider you a returning student. You get to spend the summer in Austin. You may not understand how sweet that is. It is sweet. You only take 9 hours, which isn’t too bad. It lessens your load later anyways. They are core requirements which you get out of the way. You get acclimated to college life in a fairly stressless environment. And you only have class 4 days a week for a total of 9 or so hours, so you have a lot of time for fun.</p></li>
<li><p>CAP means you are rejected, but you have a great opportunity that few, if any, other schools offer. They are saying "just go to this easy school and get some basics out of the way and get a 3.2 and you can transfer. A 3.2 is between a B and B- average. You can do it. If you really want to go to UT, don’t risk an external transfer. Take the CAP agreement, save some money, and go to UT as a sophomore.</p></li>
<li><p>Don’t be afraid to transfer in if you aren’t successful the first time. OOS kids can’t do CAP. But if you really want to go to UT, it will be easier for you to transfer in than it was to get in in the first place (there’s no top ten law for transfers, remember). So just do your best in a good school and we’ll see you in a year.</p></li>
<li><p>Finally, remember the odds you are going up against. UT is NOT a safety for OOS and non top-ten kids. It is not even a match. Consider it a reach no matter how qualified you are. The top-ten percentage will likely be 85-90% next year (even if the law does change, it probably won’t have any effect until 2010, so don’t get your hopes up). Expect a 10-15% non top-ten acceptance rate. If you get in, it’s like getting in to Harvard. If you don’t, it’s like getting rejected by Harvard. It happens to a lot of qualified people. Don’t sweat it, you will still get in to a great school. UT can’t control the law, and the law hurts you. It’s designed to promote diversity in many ways, and it hurts geographic diversity. It has its positives, though you may not see them.</p></li>
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<p>If I’ve forgotten any important advice, feel free to add it on here. If anything I’ve said is wrong, by all means correct me. I just want to help clarify what I see as a lot of confusion on the boards by OOS and non top-ten kids. UT is a public Ivy, and it is as difficult to get in to as an Ivy. But hopfully this will help relieve your stress just a bit.</p>

<p>Here are my stats...rejected in-state.</p>

<p>Rank - Top 11 % out of 750 students
ACT - 29
SAT 1300
Essays - I thought they were good! Had an admissions officer review them and averaged about a 4.75/6</p>

<p>ECs(may have been my downfall, no leadership)
Newpaper 1 year
NHS 2 years
TSA 2 years
Robotics Club 1 year
Did freelance graphics for 3 years(not sure if they took it seriously)</p>

<p>Volunteer - None!</p>

<p>Major 1 - Business
Major 2 - Economics</p>

<p>At the start of the year I was sure that I would get in...maybe I would have last year, IDK. I'm just ****ed I didn't get at least a undeclared liberal arts or a summer program.</p>

<p>If you are a junior right now being the 2nd semester already it would be hard to change your GPA drastically. My advice is to look over theloneranger's post and find where you are the weakest and improve. Start volunteering ASAP, seek some leadership, get your SAT higher.</p>

<p>one thing.. if your school doesn't rank and your counselor tells you you're not even in top 25%. Still continue to try hard. My school doesn't rank but my counselor just recently told me I'm about 34th percentile. I'm OOS and still got in.</p>

<p>most of your points sound fair enough, but im an asian OOS who didnt even crack top 30% at my school and i got in</p>

<p>im probably the exception to the rule, though</p>

<p>Flyboy, I do think you would have been in 2 years ago. Last year you would also likely have been in.</p>

<p>If you were Texan you would have had Summer Admission, no problem. But they don't offer that to OOS students.</p>

<p>I also think that the majors you picked hurt you. Econ is the toughest COLA major to get in. If you had listed "Undeclared" on the form, you may have been admitted. But admitting kids as a general Undeclared major is used for only a few OOS kids who usually didn't apply to any Liberal Arts or Natural Sciences majors.</p>

<p>I think what really killed your ECs was not the lack of leadership so much as the lack of volunteer hours.</p>

<p>Thanks for the post as it gives a good example of what you have to do to get in. You would think that by your stats you would be good, yet you weren't offered admission. It shows you just how hard it has become to get in OOS.</p>

<p>Yes, from what I've heard if your school doesn't officially rank UT usually ends up assigning you a higher rank than you would have had if they reported on.</p>

<p>UcMichigan, did your status check page list a rank for you at all, or just "rank received," or what?</p>

<p>kfn, race doesn't matter, they don't look at it at all. So you weren't hurt by being asian. And if you had a strong SAT or ECs, it would offset the rank. Or if you applied to a non-conventional major.</p>

<p>Pretty much to elaborate on what theloneranger said: DO NOT SLACK OFF JUNIOR YEAR!</p>

<p>Junior year is definitely the most challenging year in high school and it's the most crucial towards your GPA because it can either help or hurt it tremendously. Hopefully, if you were smart, you were able to take advantage of the easier classes that you took freshman and sophomore years and got good grades, because they would've helped to pad and establish a stable/high GPA.</p>

<p>But again, junior year can make or break you because it is the most difficult, with the classes being WAY more challenging than 9th and 10th.</p>

<p>And here's another piece of CRUCIAL advice: If you sent in an application to UT in the fall of your senior year with your preliminary rankings and were not in the top 10%, yet by the next semester, you moved up into the top 10%, SEND AN UPDATED TRANSCRIPT TO UT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE! I was told by a UT counselor that if you do that, you'll most likely be automatically admitted since the law pertains to you then. But even if you don't move into the top 10% but your rank moves up, SEND AN UPDATED TRANSCRIPT TO THEM ANYWAY.</p>

<p>I don't know how to stress any of that more. If any of it is confusing, feel free to ask questions. Good luck you guys!</p>

<p>theloneranger...I WAS IN STATE!!!</p>

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Here are my stats...rejected in-state.</p>

<p>Rank - Top 11 % out of 750 students
ACT - 29
SAT 1300

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<p>Gah scary</p>

<p>Im top 11% (missed by 1 person)
SAT 1220 (680M 540CR)</p>

<p>I applied to Business and Communications as 2nd choice (dunno ***..)</p>

<p>I still haven't heard back yet</p>

<p>Oh yeah. I can't see why you didn't get SFC. Especially if your essays were approaching 5s. It must have been the ECs.</p>

<p>It shows you just how competitive admission has become this year, it's downright crazy.</p>

<p>loneranger,
my status showed "High school attended does not rank." So UT had to calculate my rank..
But my counselor told me my rank if the school "did" rank (34th).</p>

<p>I guess I got lucky?</p>

<p>I would venture to say so.</p>

<p>What was your GPA? And is your class more competitive than most years at your school?</p>

<p>hmm
my GPA was 3.8 out of 5.3 unweighted and 4.19 out of 5.3 weighted.
I believe our class is one of the most competitive classes.. not the most though..
I do know that two years ago, we had 4 people (of 100ish) get into UT.</p>

<p>I think community service as a whole is overrated in admissions. I think listing something like 500 hours of Community Service for something will hurt you rather than help you. That would stick out to me as someone just padding hours for admission counselors to see. Me personally, I had activities: Key Club and Boy Scouts of America listed, but didn't list any volunteer hours specifically. I am going to assume that the admission's counselors inferred that I did community service through those. I think that helps more than just flat out listing the hours. </p>

<p>Also, I think if there is any one extra curricular that helps the average joe (aka not being a top ranked athlete in the nation), is getting Eagle Scout. The Eagle Scout award represents leadership and success. </p>

<p>I got in First Choice: Communications- Prejournalism. Second Choice: Undeclared Business</p>

<p>Guess I didn't heed your advice there.</p>

<p>Stats:</p>

<p>GPA: 4.31 W / 3.86 UW
ACT: 29
Rank: 23 of 502 (top 4.6%)
Coursework: Mainly IB and CP</p>

<p>EC's: </p>

<p>Boy Scouts (Patrol Leader, Librarian, Scribe, Eagle Scout)
Key Club (Class Director)
Volleyball
Church Youth Group
Model UN (Head Delegate)
Math Comp. Team
Altar Serving</p>

<p>Just do what you enjoy, write some good essays, and you'll be fine if your a strong enough student.</p>

<p>Actually I hear the EXACT opposite.</p>

<p>Many service clubs to not require a huge time commitment. They actually want to see you do work. And 500 hours is NOTHING. We've had over 20 members of my class do over a thousand so far (including yours truly) and there's no padding involved, just service.</p>

<p>Eagle Scout is actually NOT supposed to be any big difference, particularly at UT. An award so many students have isn't going to make a big difference. It shows you can do a magazine drive or whatever, but almost every admissions person I've spoken to whose mentioned it has said it makes no difference.</p>

<p>Being recognized in any club will help, being an eagle scout doesn't make a specific difference.</p>

<p>You MAINLY got in because you have a top 5% class rank. That combined with your SAT score, which is above average for an OOS applicant (and average for an accepted student) is the reason why you got in.</p>

<p>I am contemplating writing a letter of appeal to the University, mainly, I will look at what I have done in graphics design to see if they will sway my ECs up a notch! I have tried searching and I have found nothing regarding appealing the University of Texas online. </p>

<p>What do you guys think?</p>

<p>I have not heard anything about successful appeals to the school.</p>

<p>Did you apply to advertising as your first choice in particular? Or else the art school? That's the only way I think it could make a difference. Maybe if you've taken the SAT or ACT since then and have better scores, it also could help.</p>

<p>Good luck, but I've never heard of a successful appeal, so don't get your hopes up too high.</p>

<p>I got CAPed in-state
top13%, 1310 M/CR, average ECs</p>

<p>Its just going to get harder until this law is gone.</p>

<p>wow this blows.
p.s what is the average SAT score out of 2400? what is considered a good score for the essay?</p>

<p>Essay 3.5 is average out of 6.</p>

<p>The average SAT may be a little higher this year, but in the past:
In-state top ten: 1220
In-state not top ten: 1250
OOS: 1330</p>

<p>UT does not take the writing section into consideration at all.</p>