<p>:eek: i dun like hostility</p>
<p>bump, any more thoughts on my chances?</p>
<p>wat if they don't like my essays, would my other stats be able to override it?</p>
<p>Don't let Columbia 2002 get to you. She gets off on being hostile and does set a bad example for others.</p>
<p>I think your chances are very good.
You have the scores, leadership, consistent EC's, and started a club.</p>
<p>It sounds to me like you will fit in.</p>
<p>And with any luck you won't end up four years out of Columbia posting mean things on this board!</p>
<p>just to comment, i'm very split about C2002's methodology and phrasing...yes, sometimes it is a bit harsh and "mean" but on the other hand it tends to be correct...so while i agree it is often just a little too much so, the truth sometimes hurts</p>
<p>I think Columbia 2002's "mean" comments are usually merited.</p>
<p>And Denzera has hit it right on the nose... If your ECs and awards don't truly show the depth of your interest in something, you should convey your passion in an essay and show just how into it you are.</p>
<p>by the way, annyoung! haha..</p>
<p>lol chewie.</p>
<p>ya, i wonder how many ppl stay on CC even after getting out of college?</p>
<p>I believe C2002 sets a tone that is counter productive to the young high school students that have an interest in Columbia.</p>
<p>These are young people. The ONLY reason I take the time to post here is that at times C2002 is so rude to young teenagers that I believe there is an essential need for a counterbalance.</p>
<p>I'm still in college though. Once I get out I cannot even begin to imagine that I will be looking online for college t-shirts and gear. It's all just really weird.</p>
<p>I emphatically believe only the most feckless would be condescending to highschool students with a dream.</p>
<p>Imparting information is one thing.</p>
<p>Being demeaning and abusive is wholly inappropriate.</p>
<p>I decided to make a commitment to posting after Denzera advised me that my being a CC student was BS and he and C2002 together decided to deride all my postings no matter the quality. That's called being a bully and I think it's wrong.</p>
<p>I pretty much agree. Columbia2002 and Denzera provide awesome information, but sometimes C2002 is unnecessarily mean. The truth is already harsh! No need to make it harsher.</p>
<p>Just my opinion : Columbia 2002 is realistic. Some comments may come off as harsh... But to me, the postings seem like cold reality, rather than cold-heartedness. C2002's analysis/advice is realistic. Maybe not warm and fuzzy, but also certainly not deliberately malicious nor mean-spirited.</p>
<p>I tend to agree with piglette, I don't see anything mean-spirited about what C02 has to say. About Time has had a vendetta against him/her for a while and it ended up getting a few threads locked/removed.</p>
<p>I think anyone seeking advice on here should just take it from all comers and weigh it for themselves. We don't need Hannity-and-Colmes style bickering here.</p>
<p>oh, and About Time, whatever it took to get you posting here regularly, you're contributing a lot of value, so it doesn't much matter to me why you do it :)</p>
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<p>Because no college graduates wear clothing depicting their alma mater, right? I saw the Chip & Pepper stuff at Neiman Marcus and thought it looked cool, but didn't see any CU stuff. So I checked their website to see if I could get any CU stuff. Heck, I only own 3 pieces of Columbia clothing: a t-shirt, a golf polo-type shirt, and a sweatshirt.</p>
<p>i think i've got 3 tshirts and a columbia ultimate frisbee hoodie</p>
<p>I believe C2002 is mean spirited and inappropriate. I would love to know his/her job. Denzera is very proud of making so much money. What does C2002 do? Love to know.</p>
<p>I have observed evidence to the contrary that 2002 is knowledgeable. 2002 may have mastered the nuts and bolts of the application process and have some information regarding dorms but if you exceed that scope ,... look out.</p>
<p>I did make a real effort to speak with a family friend who is an adcom recently about admission issues ... not an adcom at Columbia but insightful just the same.</p>
<p>And I believe 2002's advice regarding graduate school is very misleading. 2002 had no idea what lawyers make until I posted it, no idea what doc's make. 2002 is just so clueless about the real world out there and that is evidenced in the posts. This person has evidenced a very weak understanding of salaries in the professional world and the business world which leads me to believe this person is way out there in terms of understanding the LINK OF EDUCATION TO INCOME in the real world.</p>
<p>Another source of information for the benefit of students who need to have the facts about a graduate degree:</p>
<p>Survey results released in March of 2005 show that U.S. workers 18 and over with post-graduate degrees earn an average of $74,602 a year, about 45 percent more than workers with bachelor's degrees, who average $51,206. </p>
<p>Workers with high school diplomas earn $27,915, while people who haven't completed high school fare far worse: Their average earnings are $18,734, less that the Department of Health and Human Services' figure of $19,350 for the federal poverty rate for a family of four. </p>
<p>Census Bureau analyst Nicole Stoops said the survey covered more than 99,000 households, with 85 percent of people 25 and older reporting that they had completed at least high school and 28 percent had attained bachelor's degrees -- figures the bureau calls a "record high."</p>
<p>The survey tables can be found on the Census Bureau's Web site, <a href="http://www.census.gov%5B/url%5D">www.census.gov</a>. The report is titled "Education Attainment in the United States: 2004."</p>
<p>If you established in a position and you're happy fine. If you want to get out there and get a job ... you'll get a better one with a graduate degree, you'll make a transfer faster to a better position with a graduate degree, and the statistical information indicates that you will also make more money.</p>
<p>If you can afford it, if you haven't taken out too many loans in undergrad, if you have the time I think a graduate degree is essential. My opinion NOT MY FETISH.</p>
<p>If this is not mean sarcasm to a HIGHSCHOOL STUDENT then someone has no idea of what proper social interaction is.</p>
<p>Columbia 2002 conducts himself/herself inappropriately and demeaningly toward highschool students, people who are probably eight or nine years younger, people who have not attended college. These are young people with a dream and Columbia 2002 gets off on dropping out information that anyone could get if they'd read these boards for years and posted in how many THOUSANDS of forums and made this their life. </p>
<p>These are high school students who are probably have lives and have not been reading this board for years. It's great to post here and to help them but it's not great to demean them... that is wrong. Not gray, not debatable, just plain wrong.</p>
<p>The post below which is a sample just from this thread is not just "harsh" this is wholly inappropriate.</p>
<p>There isn't an inkling of sarcasm in any of your posts. Any objective reader of your posts would think that you were just clueless. You're either lying to cover for your earlier mistake or simply not very good at sarcasm.</p>
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Another source of information for the benefit of students who need to have the facts about a graduate degree:</p>
<p>Survey results released in March of 2005 show that U.S. workers 18 and over with post-graduate degrees earn an average of $74,602 a year, about 45 percent more than workers with bachelor's degrees, who average $51,206.
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<p>Wouldn't the "facts" be more helpful if the proper comparison was made, i.e., Ivy grads w/ bachelor's only vs. Ivy grads w/ grad degrees. The general population cohort with grad degrees is very likely much smarter and more ambitious than the general population cohort with a bachelor's degree in communications from their local state school, so your data isn't relevant to whether it is "essential" for an Ivy/Columbia grad to get a graduate degree.</p>
<p>So about koi fish...</p>
<p>Happy New Year!</p>
<p>(Did you know koi can live for many, many years? The oldest koi fish was identified to be over 150 years old.)</p>
<p>Getting a degree from Columbia is not going to necessarily open any great doors. It's just not. I bet on Denzera is working in some cubicle no matter how much he made. If you want to spend ten years in a cubicle go for it.</p>
<p>An Ivy League degree evens out monetarily with other reasonably respected schools that are NOT Ivy League so don't be fooled by old Columbia 2002's only claim to fame which appears to be an undergraduate degree from Columbia.</p>
<p>Undergraduate degrees in terms of income overall return on investment is not greater than any other degree. Princeton did the study and poor old Columbia 2002 knows that. </p>
<p>I think it is incredibly misleading to tell high school students that a graduate degree is not going to provide a return on investment either monetarily or satisfaction wise.</p>
<p>It's hard to believe ANYBODY wants to work in a f...ing cubicle. Anybody. </p>
<p>The 2000 Princeton survey indicates that undergraduate degrees equal out:</p>
<p><a href="http://papers.nber.org%5B/url%5D">http://papers.nber.org</a></p>
<p>Other data indicates graduate degrees do provide a return on investment.</p>
<p>Nellie Mae indicates that if you can keep your student loans to less than seven percent of your income you will be alright.</p>
<p>These are the facts.</p>
<p>And it is impossible to dispute that old COlumbia 2002 is not gratuitously rude to high school students who are desperately seeking information on Columbia.</p>
<p>He extracts a very high price in terms of demeaning responses for that information. </p>
<p>My question now is what the F does this person do for a living and why the F does he/she think they are entitled to demean people who if they probably met old Columbia 2002 would not give him/her/it the time of day.</p>
<p>Some of you guys are off on unproductive tangents.</p>
<p>Woah... About Time, I was agreeing with you wholeheartedly until your recent posts... woah!</p>
<p>And harvardman, hope people didn't scare you away.</p>