My chances for c/o 2012...

<p>SAT: 2040
Reading: 630
Math: 750
Writing: 660</p>

<p>ACT: 30
Verbal: 34
Math: 28</p>

<p>AP Calculus AB: 4
AP US History: 3 (will retake next year)</p>

<p>Class rank: 1 or 2 of 42 (small private school)
GPA: 3.94 out of 4.0</p>

<p>No relatives in armed forces (will this be a problem?)</p>

<p>CFA: (will retake)
Pushups: 37
Pullups: 4
Situps: 67
Basketball throw: 56
Shuttle run: can't remember lol...
Mile: 6:40</p>

<p>Junior class president (and anticipated senior class president)
Varsity golf 10,11,12 (not good enough for USNA though)
JV basketball 9,10 (captain in 10)
Possibility of Varsity football for senior year (should I?)
Community service: 9 hours at local community center (painting children's protection society's porch, helping out at nursing home), 8 hours at town 4th of July celebration put on by church (4 in 2006/4 in 2007), will be going on (and probably help plan) senior trip that works with Habitat for Humanity (last year they went to New Orleans to build a house)</p>

<p>I attended NASS Session 1 (and loved it)</p>

<p>I have yet to contact my BGO, when should I give him a call?</p>

<p>Also, DODMERB hasn't contacted me yet about the physical.</p>

<p>Thanks,
Joe :D</p>

<p>You have a good shot, very good.</p>

<p>But be aware, the people USNA loves to reject are the 2100+ SAT scorers with poor CFA.</p>

<p>If you could work on that some, you'll be fine. Show interest along the way to your BGO and the admissions. The CFA is the one thing in your path.</p>

<p>Having no one in the military is not going to kill you. This is often an arbitrary stat unless the person is a USNA alum.</p>

<p>thanks a lot :), I've been running a lot lately and I'll definitely retake it</p>

<p>Also,</p>

<p>USNA loves runners.</p>

<p>On the PRT, the run is 33%. A perfect score on the run for the CFA has also been rumored as a "lock" for most people who are academically qualified, which I would venture you are at this point.</p>

<p>hmm really... so a 5:20 on the mile would solidify my chances? What about the pushups/pullups/situps?</p>

<p>I ran a 10:05 on the PRT 1.5M at NASS (10:30 is passing for men)</p>

<p>Recently I've been running 3 miles straight 5 days a week, so I know I can improve on those numbers...</p>

<p>^^^^^
Your standardized test scores look great. The ACT 34 in English converts to 760. And the SAT Math score of 750 is even better since math is weighted more than the verbal.</p>

<p>Scores on AP exams have no bearing on the admissions process.</p>

<p>Athletics:[ul]
[<em>]9th grade activities don't count
[</em>]Have you earned any varsity letters[/ul]
DODMERB: USNA will request a medical exam after you complete 50 percent of your application</p>

<p>ok thanks GA, since I've been doing the application I've been wondering exactly what they mean by "varsity letters earned"</p>

<p>I know at some schools they give out big letters with the school's initial, but they don't do that for varsity golf</p>

<p>Allow me to offer a thought to the very good responses you've already received. And you asked about it ... Running is indeed important. You need to work on th pushups, pullups. Just the fact that you can improve ... and I'm betting you will, could be the push that tells the Admissions Board that JB is going to make one heckuva Plebe in the summer of 2012. And you've got the right approach. Don't wait. Do it now. You'll be surprised how you can improve. Mine went from 60 to 100 and 8 to 17 in 4 or 5 mos. Git 'er done and good luck. </p>

<p>btw, WHERE are you from? While there's nothing you can do about it, that can and often does play into this equation in a big way. And it also can shed potential light on your question of "chances." </p>

<p>I'd bet on you. :cool:</p>

<p>Thanks WP :D
I'm from western NY (several hours from NYC)... which means I'll be applying for a nom. from Hillary :(, I'll likely receive it from my district rep.... but, like you guys say, I'm applying to all my possibilities (even if one of them is Hillary lol)</p>

<p>If you are from the Rochester area or west of there, you need to be aware that the competition is very high. Senator Clinton did not give a nomination for anyone from the western area for the class of 2010. She was more generous for the class of 2011. I do not know about Senator Schumer's nominations as they are not posted on his web site.</p>

<p>Competiton for a nomination from the Congressional District is also very high. There are several well qualified candidates I know about who missed out on a nomination from their Congressional Representative.</p>

<p>I mention this not to discourage you, but to make you aware so that you can do what you need to do to rise to the top and make yourself the best you can be.</p>

<p>Good Luck in your pursuits.
CM</p>

<p>Actually I am from the Rochester Area, but my district is the Syracuse-East Rochester area... thanks for the info, I didn't know this area was so competitive</p>

<p>On the topic of retaking the CFA... what is the latest date that one should retake the CFA?</p>

<p>You can retake the CFA all the way up to Dec of senior year- some have even taken it in January- but would recommend getting it done (and done well- your best attempt)- prior to that. Your file will go to the admissions board once it is "complete," so a lot will depend on SAT scores and when the rest of your stuff gets logged in- so having a good CFA score at that time would be your best bet.</p>

<p>JB- you mentioned that you have not contacted your BGO as of yet- would suggest you get going on that as they can be very helpful in the admissions process- also, you will need to be officially "interviewed," so getting that completed before the fall academics hit full-tilt would be a good idea.</p>

<p>As for football in senior year- sounds like this will be a "first time" for you?... if that is the case, might want to reconsider- don't want to have any debilitating injuries with DoDMERB pending- so perhaps now is not the best time to take up a new contact sport- especially football!....perhaps sticking to track (even winter track) or swimming will fit the bill and at the same time prep you for retaking that CFA?.... something to consider.</p>

<p>Best of luck to all!</p>

<p>thanks! :)</p>

<p>You're right about football, I haven't played before but I play with my friends on the street a lot (used to be basically every day)... yea I know that's weak and if my tiny school didn't drop cross country 2 years ago I would definitely take that (we never had track either :( )</p>

<p>About my BGO, what do I do? Just call him? When, tomorrow?</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>^^^^ contact him like yesterday!!!! ;)</p>

<p>Suggest the following:
-get BGO name/contact information
-if you have an address, send a short letter and your contact info
-follow that up in about a week with a phone call
-if no success, then as a last resort, follow up with an email if you have that info.
but would start with that letter (most kids won't take the time to write- and as I have posted many times over, "you get one chance to make a first impression".... so make that count! )</p>

<p>Three things to do before contacting your BGO:</p>

<ol>
<li><p>Make sure you have at least read the USNA catalogue. You can do that right on-line at usna.edu/admissions. </p></li>
<li><p>Make sure you have clear in your mind- and can articulate just as clearly- why YOU want to attend the USNA. Give that some serious thought....."it's been a dream of mine since age whatever" will sound like you are "just one of many thousands".....so drill down your reason(s).... why is this so important to YOU? Why do YOU want this? Also, be prepared to offer some "quick info" about yourself- SAT scores, GPA, class rank (estimate if you don't know that), sports.....this is very basic info that you might be asked, even on a first contact (you will be interviewed in greater depth later on, but don't be surprised if this info gets asked right up front)....also, be prepared to share how much work YOU have done already with YOUR application....knowing that you "know the process" and can speak to where you are in that process is a "good thing."</p></li>
<li><p>Do not skip steps one and two.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Best of luck and do let us know how you make out!</p>

<p>(ps... forget football- way too many injuries, and a torn ACL is definately not what you need right now- would recommend bubble wrap instead, but you need to stay conditioned- so stick to something you know, and find a way to get some running in! ;) )</p>

<p>Ok will get reading the catalog! Step 2 is all set (I'm in the process of writing all my essays so the whole "why I want to attend USNA" is getting drilled into my head lol)</p>

<p>hmmm alright, what about soccer? I played soccer in 6,7, and 8th grades </p>

<p>o and what the heck does "varsity letter earned" mean!!?!?!?!?!? </p>

<p>Thanks so much,
Joe</p>

<p>My dd has the same question about "varsity letter." Her track coach last year was very disorganized, so there was no end of year awards banquet. She participated in six varsity meets, and earned a couple of team points in one meet. Should dd count that as earning a letter, since no awards were given for that team?</p>

<p>J </p>

<p>I just saw some more detailed data on the success of small school candidates in the last admissions go around (2011) If I can put my hands on it again I'll send it along to you. From what I remember of the stats small school applicants were reasonably successful relative to the number of applicants. </p>

<p>My son came from a school with a similar size graduating class. While your SAT/ACT scores already make a very solid case for the quality of academics at your HS, you may want to write up a brief summary about your school and include anything you feel is noteworthy. My son gave a copy of it to his BGO and also submitted one with his application. </p>

<p>His BGO actually pulled it out during his interview and went through it with him, thanked him for taking the effort to educate him about his HS, (since he wasn't familiar with it). He also added it would help him in his remarks since he now had some reference or context from which to work from. </p>

<p>You mentioned Varsity Letters in an earlier post, my son was in exactly the same situation; despite his presence on the Varsity Track and Cross Country teams he was never a letter winner because the school did not award them. Take a moment and explain that. Don't take any chances that someone might interpret an aspect of your application in a negative light because of a lack of information. Don’t go overboard with minutia, just hit the important points and lay it out in an organized fashion. </p>

<p>The only thing I would add to all the good advice you’ve already been given is this; be considerate of those you intend to ask for letters of recommendations. Write/email/call them soon and ask them if they would be willing to provide a recommendation for you. They may be well versed in what is involved, or not. Use people that know you well and can provide some detailed knowledge of you in the areas of achievements, motivation, leadership and character. Give them deadlines so you’re not running around like a mad man 24 hours before the applications are due. And don’t give them the “real deadlines”, back it up a month or so if you can; everyone procrastinates. </p>

<p>Find out when the deadlines are for all or your nomination sources, now! They may be different; our son missed one his Senators (Teddy K) because of his office had set a very early date in the process. </p>

<p>If you don't already know this you might want to find out if you rep submits a list of qualified applicants with or without ranking so you have some idea what you're facing.</p>

<p>o what a tragedy that he missed Ted Kennedy lol</p>

<p>ok thank you very much rjr, I already have 2 of the 3 letters of recommendation and my principle is working on the third (he has been for the past 3 months <strong>rolls eyes</strong>)</p>

<p>My school is not that great of an academic school, I received what are likely the best scores in my grade and I will probably graduate valedictorian.... but I will do what you told me about the letter because I'm sure my BGO doesn't know my school very well (like your son's).</p>

<p>Thanks again for all the advice,
Joe</p>

<p>I agree with rjr's thoughts. However, small things can make a difference in the brief time you have during interviews.</p>

<p>Never say in an interview:</p>

<p>
[quote]
My school is not that great of an academic school.....

[/quote]
</p>

<p>Those things stick in everyone's mind instead of the part where you say:</p>

<p>
[quote]
I will probably graduate valedictorian...

[/quote]
</p>

<p>It is fine to say you attended a small private h.s. or something similar.</p>

<p>Just my thoughts as you think about how to prepare for these interviews.</p>