<p>uh...yes but I don't remember a part about tax returns. ?? :|</p>
<p>as an asian speaking to an asian, race matters a lot. thanks to affirmative action, asians compete with asians- and at my school at least, there are some pretty shiny and sweet asian students.</p>
<p>Asians compete with all the other non-disadvantaged majorities, not with themselves.</p>
<p>says who? asians compete with each other just as much as with Americans</p>
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<li>non underrepersented minorites= asians (chinese, japanese, korean, indian, pakistani...), and middle easterners (which is basically arabs and persians) so yes there are more then just "asians" but since arab/persian americans constitute a very, very small percentage of the population (and since some colleges clump them with asians), asians basically compete with asians. </li>
<li>if you google affirmative action, and skip to the asian sites, you will find articles that detail the discrimination asians face in the college admissions process. multiple ivy league colleges, including harvard, acknowledge this, and are frequently quoted to admit this.</li>
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<p>Yes I see your point, but unless Bush abolishes affirmative action within the next month, there is nothing I can do. I try not to think about this and you know, if you do the best you can, affirmative action shouldn't matter either way.</p>
<p>Once again, I see your point, but let's not get into an affirmative action debate. I'm sure everyone has valid points but there are forums for that kind of thing.</p>
<p>Asians do not have any problem getting into Stanford. I don't think you can prove that there's any discrimination going on at the Ivy League level. Bother to cite that "Harvard acknowledge[s] this" as you say?</p>
<p>So your point is saying that Asians don't compete with Caucasians? I think that's a ridiculous argument to make.</p>
<p>As one Asian male speaking to another, I don't think your chances are that good. Like, in the grand scheme of things, although your stats are within Stanford's "range", compared to other non-athlete, non-legacy applicants, however, neither your scores nor your awards are exceptional at all. I dunno, your scores are okay, but you DO lack significant awards.</p>
<p>And also, you're from Chicago. You're definitely not getting any geographic advantages there...not like that kid from Wyoming in that other thread.</p>
<p>In conclusion: write a kick-ass essay. PLEASE. I had better "stats" than you did last year, but aside from Stanford SCEA, I still got waitlisted at hella places... and my strong suspicion is that my essays were $hit.</p>
<p>PM me if you have more questions.</p>
<p>If you are a truly, and I mean TRULY exceptional student, then you shouldn't have to worry about affirmative action.</p>
<p>umm yeah. i dont understand why there is a tendency in our society to assume that people of color are worse than other students. affirmative action exists to counteract this kind of condesending and ultimatly fallacious perception of the non-white members of our society. I am a student of color, and I am just as qualified if not more qualified than any other applicant. If I get into a prestigious university, my acceptance would have been the result of my ability and hard work, not because of the color of my skin. In fact, I must work harder and be better than other in order to acheive the same gain because of bigits and racists that assume that I am a lower kind of human just because I am not white.</p>
<p>and on the by and by, this article talks about azn discrimination in the ivies (and stanford).</p>