My Friend got a Phone Call From the Harvard Undergrad Minority Recruitment?

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<p>I agree.</p>

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<p>Well, I would word it differently: Affirmative Action increases the chances of qualified URM applicants but does not ensure anything.</p>

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Yes, I agree.</p>

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<p>"Your SAT score is below Harvard’s average, … "</p>

<p>Actually, my Verbal score was above average, and I did have an 800 on the math II …</p>

<p>" and you are only one-quarter Hispanic."</p>

<p>How would they know that?</p>

<p>" That you didn’t get in is not evidence of the absence of Affirmative Action, "</p>

<p>That I didn’t get in is because of the point I’m trying to make … TODAY, any AA is directed to INCOME not RACE. I had no income disadvantage and hence no AA for me … I had to take my chances along with everyone else …</p>

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You are starting to cause me physical pain. Reaching conclusions about the overall process based on a single event is unfounded extrapolation, not logical analysis. If you want to support that thesis, try providing some valid reasoning.</p>

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<p>I was referring to your overall SAT score, as I thought would be obvious from the lack of modification of the term.</p>

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<p>I understand your claim perfectly. What you have yet to do is prove it with data.</p>

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<p>noimagination,</p>

<p>“You are starting to cause me physical pain”</p>

<p>Great :)</p>

<p>“Reaching conclusions about the overall process based on a single event is unfounded extrapolation, not logical analysis.”</p>

<p>Do you frequently read only excerpts? I prefaced that comment with a CLEAR disclaimer …</p>

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<p>I don’t see a disclaimer.</p>

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Where? I don’t see a disclaimer, and you could be liable for my pain and suffering :)</p>

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<p>Do creepy smileys on message boards count as evidence of malicious intent? :)</p>

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<p>Since neither of us sees it, it seems that “CLEAR” was not the best descriptor.</p>

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<p>silverturtle,</p>

<p>"I understand your claim perfectly. What you have yet to do is prove it with data. "</p>

<p>?? You first … I have seen no “proof” of anything here … but I DO know what I was told, … both over the phone and face to face. It is also interesting that Harvard’s Hispanic cohort of the incoming class is considerably down from the previous year.</p>

<p>Here is an interesting paper for your consideration …</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/fryer/files/cbaarevision.pdf[/url]”>http://www.economics.harvard.edu/faculty/fryer/files/cbaarevision.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>It will be interesting to see data from schools such as Wake Forest, that no longer require standardized tests.</p>

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<p>I do not have time to read that paper at the moment, but I will soon.</p>

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<p>Please see post #21.</p>

<p>Also, we are still waiting for you to point us to your disclaimer.</p>

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<p>Good grief, the disclaimer was in post 36! Context!? Is ADD a problem here?</p>

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<p>This disclaimer was made seven posts prior to your attempt at a factual assertion; to expect its implication to carry onto everything you say (even attempts at conveying an objective truth) is inappropriately presumptuous. Also, when did I “tell you what’s in my gut”?</p>

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<p>I don’t understand what you are getting at.</p>

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<p>“Please see post #21.”</p>

<p>Did you read it? I did. I was 3 three years old in 1997! Much of what was mentioned in that paper already happened, it’s HISTORY now. I want to talk about what is going on NOW.</p>

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<p>That’s fine by me. Just post the link to your more recent studies and I will be happy to read them.</p>

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<p>By the way, your “disclaimer” has encouraged me to watch some archived Stephen Colbert clips tonight. :)</p>

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<p>@plumazul: What are you trying to show? Your source discusses the negative effects of color-blind affirmative action. If anything, this leads me to believe that colleges are more likely to pursue traditional race-based AA to achieve their diversity goals. To quote Fryer et al.:

So, wouldn’t you say that they are more likely to use color-based AA?</p>

<p>EDIT: I see your disclaimer. Admitting that your point is unfounded doesn’t make it any more worthwhile, does it?</p>

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<p>@noimagination: I tried to have this fight, but it’s always unsuccessful. Yohobroncos has got it confirmed in his mind that he is right, though we have pounded him with statistics and such he will not give in…So let me end this discussion by saying that Yohobroncos and plumazul are delusional.</p>

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<p>@noimagination,</p>

<p>“What are you trying to show?”</p>

<p>By posting the link? Nothing. It is just an example of good people searching for answers. The courts have spoken and raced based AA no longer viable but the answer is not to go back to the 1950s.</p>

<p>"Admitting that your point is unfounded doesn’t make it any more worthwhile, does it? "</p>

<p>Lol, I suppose for THIS thread it would be “par” …</p>