My HS junior D totally not motivated about college application - What should I do?

My daughter was like that, but with much more modest stats (33 ACT, 3.8 GPA). The most I could get out of her junior year was that she was pretty sure she wanted a large school where she could fade into the woodwork if she so chose. So I made a list of 4 state flagships (our own and a few others) and set up visits, hoping that would generate some enthusiasm. It didn’t. She applied to those four and one other in the fall of senior year, declined any more visits and chose one of them in the spring. There was never much enthusiasm, but on the other hand there was no angst. She has since happily attended and graduated from the school she chose. Compared to the college process some of her friends went through, hers was a piece of cake, although her lack of interest was very frustrating at the beginning.

Maybe your daughter will become more enthusiastic and take ownership of the process once she goes on some visits or she’s less busy or it gets closer, or maybe she’ll be like my daughter and just fall into a situation.

She is highly stressed and probably has some anxiety. This is very common in high-performing kids. My daughter wouldn’t even let us mention the word college at that stage. We took her on a spring break trip to look at colleges, which helped, but we had to include beach and sightseeing days to de-stress her. She didn’t sit for the SAT until June of her junior year, and then she was one and done.

I think it’s too early to assume she’ll need a gap year, unless she wants one. What she needs is a few weeks of summer to decompress. Even if she does not lift a finger, she will not be behind in searching for a college. She can start when the Common App comes out in August. Maybe she won’t get to visit schools (senior year is very busy, and she’ll have her National Merit application on top of her college applications), but it’s okay to apply to a school you haven’t visited. Generations of kids have done this, and it turns out fine. If she can’t decide once the acceptances roll in, she can visit then, next spring.

Give her until August 1 and if she hasn’t recovered from her school stress by then, maybe that is the time to suggest a gap year plan.

@carbmom Wow, this is almost verbatim the same discussion I had with my then junior student (daughter too). I thought it was just me. I think she said either 'a good one" or one with a “brand name.” She refused to look at any school that was “named after a toothpaste.” (Colgate).

I can now say she is working hard and very happy at Pomona College.

I suggest stepping foot on any (near) college campus. And try to get her excited. Don’t feel bad if you get to one and she refuses to step out of the car. Poor Dad drove from LA to San Diego just so DD could see UCSD, and she knew in an instant, it wasn’t for her. Wouldn’t even get out of the car, but that was the only one that elicited that gut reaction.

Start visiting. And Good Luck! Know that each has to warm up to the idea of going away at their own speed. But it WILL happen. Guaranteed. When I worried another child would never potty train, our pediatrician said, “How many teenagers do you see wearing diapers?” All in their own time.

Have you visited any colleges? Once my son saw just how different colleges could (size, location etc.) be he started to form definite opinions on what he wanted and he became more invested in the whole process.

Does D have any friends who are current seniors? If so, ask her what they are doing next year. Ask her why they decided to go to the college they selected. Resist the temptation to say “Do you think you’d like a small school too?” or “Are big time sports teams important to you too?” If any friends are still deciding, ask your D what her friends like/dislike about the schools they are choosing among." Don’t turn it into a general conversation about colleges unless she leads in that direction.

I think it seems much more “real” when their senior friends start finalizing their plans. In a FEW cases, it can actually be that a kid spends so much time talking about colleges with friends that (s)he just doesn’t want to talk more about them at home.

OP --Your D sounds like mine did last year and through the summer. Didn’t even take ACT until Sept. of senior year. Got a really good score (but not 36). Has a great transcript/activities/talent, etc. A few half-hearted applications, two college visits in fall. All safety schools. Just too busy with classes, activities, friends, etc. to put a lot of time into the process.
Didn’t want to write essays. Hates competition/stress. State U. offered full tuition. She decided to take it. Did apply for presidential scholarship there and didn’t get it, but got a small departmental scholarship. Content with her decision. Good school/good price. Nice campus. Not too far away. Takes all her dual enrollment, and generous with AP credits. Comfortable fit for someone who isn’t too excited about it all. Not how I thought this would go, but staying positive about it–especially the scholarships/credit. (This is kid #5 for me–all different!)
My advice would be to at least have her get the application in to your state u.–whichever one is known for engineering–as soon as it is available (Aug.? Sept.?) Have that safety–and likely a big scholarship or honors program–lined up. Just in case nothing else better comes along. Or she procrastinates during application season, and just doesn’t want to write the essays. At least she’ll have that one in the bag.
She still has a few months/summer to do research. Keep sending her links to websites of colleges you think would be a good fit. Keep talking to her about it, remind her of upcoming deadlines. It is reasonable to help in this way.
If your D ends up at state u., she will find a lot of other smart kids there, and you might be very happy with the price. But as a female going into engineering, with her stats, does she realize that she could go just about anywhere??
BTW, I wouldn’t worry about the college fair. Go there and look around, pick up information, etc. But don’t expect much/pressure your D to “interview” with reps.

College visits helped mine get an idea of their likes and dislikes.

My son has been the same way. I don’t think it means they need a gap year especially if they are studying on their own and have a idea of what they would like to do. My son is just not interested in the game of it or the anxious process. He understood that he was definitely going to college but to him its just “more school”.It took several college visits and conversations for him to feel involved and to realize that the feel and social aspects(fun) of college are important. He also had to understand how different college is from high school. He still doesn’t really say much. I chose the schools we visited based on his criteria of “good food, good ABET engineering program, decent dorms, not too far away”.
He still drives me crazy because he doesn’t really “chat” about schools.
I have no idea which college he is going to choose. He won’t discuss them until he has seen them all and has “all” the information he needs to make a decision.
His friends are also all going to Penn State/Pitt so there is not conversation between them about schools/options “did you get in” etc. In fact, he mentioned to them that he got into Virginia Tech engineering and they were like “where is that?”.
Honestly, if I had not gotten involved he would have gone to Penn State or WVU and that would also have been fine. I just thought he should broaden his horizons a bit.

Does you d’s school have a college counselor? My son is very much like your d, he really isn’t there yet as far as thinking about college., My son’s counselor met with him and found out he was interested in a school bigger then his high school, was interested in math and music, and wanted to go away. She told us that is all she expects from kids at this point (he’s a Junior). She then gave him a list of schools to research that weren’t the typical schools that everyone knows. We have been on three tours and he is starting to figure out what he doesn’t like, which is great! “The kids were too preppy, they seemed obsessed with football.” Go on tours to local schools and try to BREATH DEEP! The great thing for your d is that she has awesome stats!

Thanks so much everyone for sharing your insights and experiences! Good to know there are quite some kids like this and they all got good results in the end. To the parent whose kid wants crabboat, haha, that’s so awesome and original! Too bad my daughter so far hasn’t even thrown out an idea that I can veto yet.

Anyway for us, gap year is not gonna happen, she is more than ready for college. I think her reluctance has more to do with temperament, she is a laid back kid, really quite lazy. She is also slow-to-mature (not intellectually tho).

I’m hoping as several parents pointed out that her lack of interest now may indicate that she’s not that picky. That would give me the chance to do the initial screening and then “sell her” a list of schools that I find appropriate for her. By August she has to become more involved though, as she has to complete the apps and write the essays herself.

She goes to a large public HS in a dead broke district so the school counselor is not super helpful. She’s only seen the counselor once (when registering for senior year classes) and I’ve never spoken to the counselor. We are going on college visits next month during spring break so hopefully it will spark some interest. Last fall when we were wandering the campus of some elite college (she’s there attending a math contest so it’s not an official college tour), all she did was trying to catch Pokemons -:slight_smile:

@preppedparent haha to the “toothpaste” school! When I mentioned Purdue to her she said “like the chicken you buy at Jewel?” We will visit Rice next month and I wonder what her response might be.

Don’t worry. My engineer daughter was just like that. I think they see college as something in the distant future and not worth dealing with right now. I planned all of our college visits with very little input from her, because she gave me nothing to go on. She finally woke up in the fall of senior year and got her act together. It all worked out in the end - she was accepted to her ED school so she avoided doing the rest of her applications anyway.

I had to laugh at the “Purdue” comment. My son looked at the colleges mascots and said "What on earth is a Hokie? "

This truly resonates with me, having gone through this last year with an equally unmotivated child. No interest in the college research, selection or application process or even in chatting about the topic. He knew he wanted to go to college and that was all. Since last fall, the words ‘college’ and ‘essays’ have been forbidden in any conversations with him. He would stonewall us if we talked about either. We had to force him to come up with a list of colleges and he still thinks it was unnecessary. I don’t have any good advice, just wanted to share and let you know you’re not alone.
Our DS procrastinated and left everything for the last minute. This was somewhat expected because that’s how he rolls. He is very bright and has never had to work very hard for good results unlike DD. Even though we expected his to be a different process than his sister’s, it has still been difficult. It’s hard to watch your child sabotaging their chances by putting in a marginal effort into the application process.

He had some applications for which he wrote essays in the car while driving to an event, others that he barely got done before the deadline of midnight on the date it was due. He wasn’t motivated to work harder on the later applications even after the early rejection from ‘dream’ school 1. There wasn’t one application that was in before the late evening hours of the deadline, most of them squeaked in just before midnight.

What could we do? This was his process and he had to own it. We hoped he would learn that procrastination wasn’t helping him. For our part, we made ourselves available on his time-table, stayed up to review his essays for errors and to pay the application fees. I made sure that I sent his ACT and SAT scores on time, his counselor sent all the other materials on time because of Naviance. He didn’t care. There were 4-5 colleges for which the scores, the school materials and recommendations were sent but he never finished the applications.

A few things that helped us and that may help you.
We made him go and visit some colleges. One was planned as a Spring Break outing with his friend and their family. That helped generate some interest.

Over summer, we made him create a spreadsheet with a list of all the colleges with deadlines, requirements, etc. It helped me keep track of the dates for sure, equally sure he never looked at it once it was created.

His school mandates that students attend the college fair during their junior and senior years. They have to sit through a number of presentations and get a signature from the presenter to validate that. That helped him in making the list.

The most useful thing was an auto-forward he set up for the email he used for college applications. Anything with the words ‘college’ or ‘university’ was automatically forwarded to my email and I was able to help keep track of what was due when.

However hard this has been, it’s almost over and our son has good choices available to him and he will be going to college! Yay, we’re done with this phase of parenting! Sorry, this became a long post - more of a vent!

Advice, not sure I’m qualified to give any since we didn’t navigate the troubled waters too well but here goes…Talk to your daughter as often as she will let you, ask her to come up with a list of what is important to her and help her then come up with a list of colleges. Take her to see a few colleges, start with the ones closer to you and make the trip a fun event by asking her friends to join if possible, combining with some interesting activity, etc. If you have any constraints such as distance or financial limits, make sure she knows what they are. Most importantly, what I wasn’t able to do too well, don’t let your stress over this process affect your child. Sometimes, it is better to bite your tongue and keep your thoughts to yourself.

Good luck to your daughter and I’m sure things will work out well in the end. With her high stats, she will have great options.

Hiring a private counselor may be worth the cost? Not only do they know colleges that could be a good fit for your d, but they have relationships with those colleges and can be a great help.

Been there, done that with my now college graduated son. He was SO not helpful getting information together for colleges. And it was SO hard to get him to sign up for the SAT’s and ACT’s - he always missed the deadline and had to pay extra. And he put off doing the applications SO late. I actually had to ground him to get him to sit down and commit to filling them out.

Guess what? Same stats as your D - 4.0, 2300 SAT, 32 or 33 ACT (I think). Maybe it’s the smart kid syndrome or something. ;))

If you can afford a private counselor so it’s somebody besides mom, that may be helpful.

If you can’t, here are a couple online quizzes that might be good for DIY college counseling:
http://www.schoolbuff.com/qualities.asp
http://www.schoolbuff.com/values-assessment.asp

When you plan college visits to schools close by (day trips maybe) have her invite a friend or two to come along for the ride. make an adventure of it.

Growing up is scary and the current college processes are easily overwhelming. My son was in denial that graduation was near, woke up December of his senior year, having prepared no essays, despite my nagging all summer, and missing deadline for the two largest, most popular state schools. (Panic attack for me!) I developed the SAT/ACT score distribution list with lukewarm help from him. Thanks to the Common App, he did apply to schools, including some additional safeties I added, and got accepted to better than good options. It will be OK.

There are two questions that have very differnent paths:

  1. Is is that she does not like the college search process?
  2. Or is it that she doesn’t care about going to college?

If it is the first one, then you can guide her. You have described my younger daughter.
There is so much information and she doesn’t even know where to start.
She may not like to research on the internet.

Start with something like: https://bigfuture.collegeboard.org/college-search
And then have her answer the questions.

Me: so what kind of college you want to go to?
D: eh, a good one. {so look for very competitive schools]
Me: can you be more specific?
D: eh, I don’t know.
Me: do you want to stay close to home or go far?
D: not too close to home ** So like a 3 hour radius?**
Me: you like large schools or small ones?
D: eh, nowhere smaller than my high school ** Do you like big football schools or smaller engineering schools?**
Me: any place you really like, maybe a dream school?
D: eh, who knows.

I would also use Naviance and search for schools…come up with some suggestions and have her visit those at the college fair.

I would have suggested that you take her on a college tour over spring break…but right now I would do a tour of a smaller school nearby and a larger school nearby (even if she says it is too close). See which one she likes better. I took my DD on a tour of our State U and she hated it (you take the tour by bus because you get between campuses by bus). So i knew smaller schools were for her.

My D had no real interest in colleges except she said that she wanted a school with beautiful, big sorority houses like she saw in movies. Well she went on a couple of tours and she was very enthusiastic and all of a sudden cared about small class sizes and discussion-based classes etc. She still wants to be in a sorority, but she actually now is looking at much more. Visits should do the trick, especially if she sees some schools that are appealing. I think lack of interest is often about being afraid. Get her talking. GL

My kids weren’t terribly enthusiastic as juniors either. I took them to see some schools over spring break. I even took my younger son (who had almost exactly the same rules as your daughter) to a couple that were smaller than his high school. The smaller of the two - which was also in the middle of nowhere - he hated, but the other one stayed on the list.

My older son with stellar stats ended up caring only about the department (computer science) and applied to a mix of tiny and larger schools and actually refused to visit any schools after I dragged him to four over spring break. My CS guy was fine with me coming up with the list of places to apply - but he made the final decision about where to go by himself.

My younger son cared a lot about the location and campus vibe and by senior year cared a lot about the list. In retrospect he thinks he gave too much importance to the visits, but you have to make your decisions some how and he wasn’t 100% sure of his major.

It’s actually pretty easy to come up with good choices for engineering. And be aware that some of the privates have merit scholarships and are very interested in attracting more women.